I haven’t gone through this thread but, this is NOT a tourney game. The fact that this thread is so long has tells me that it wasn’t a joke, which it should’ve been.
If they had it at Evolution they’d have to change the tourney name. That’s not evolving. That’s degenerating the tournament. Fighting games are about fun on the whole but it’s serious fun that has mad the scene last. XvSF is fun. Very fun. In fact, a lot of games that ANYONE can play are fun. EVERYone has a good time. But tournaments are about serious fun and bringing things to a higher level. XvSF is not serious fun. Just like SFA1 wasn’t. It was just great fun. But that isn’t what makes a game tournament worthy. Even if 500 players entered the tournament it would still be a big joke. Ok, it would be a HUGE joke.
I understand that I’m crazy bored atm and that’s why I’m posting here. But I can’t understand how this thread got THIS far.
XvSF is great for a game gathering. However, anyone who understands the tourney scene, even minutely, would laugh at the title of this thread alone. I looked at it and assumed it had to be a joke. That’s honesty, not a dis.
but i think it is evolution. its the first vs fighter game. without it they would have probably have gone straight to marvel vs. street fighter and we know how horrible of a game that is. without the idea they might not have made vs fighter games they way they are made now. this game started the evolution for vs games. this game made mvc2 in a way.
I believe XCOTA is much more important in that way. It did practically the entire engine, and then XSF decided to pick 2 characters instead of one(I know, you can change, double special blah blha still much less than COTA). From this logic, COTA, WW or Alpha 1 should be at Evo, IMO, whichdoe not seems to be a great idea
Why do you keep interrupting our nice flamewar with useless factoids? Yes, Ryu can dash after the tech, but he won’t be able to close the gap before Chun lands, and he still can’t get inside the range of her low forward, which is, you know, the whole point being made.
Get what? People making crazy claims without having to back them up? Everyone patting each other on the back while we all “agree to disagree” on one of the worst mismatches in the game (Ryu vs Chun)? Thanks, but no thanks. I prefer to have accurate discussion, as opposed to politically correct discussion.
Just in case you missed it, XSF’s poor character balance (in a tournament setting) has been brought up several times in this thread. You and several others deny this, but, predictably, all the people who deny XSF’s poor character balance (when playing to win) are the same people who were complaining about cheapness in the other thread. Coincidence? Think about it.
You missed the whole point of that Cheap thread, didn’t you, Spider-Dan. I’m not surprised. The point of the conversation was that players can be ‘cheap’, games can’t. Some games make it easier for players to use cheap tactics, but it’s still the decision of the people pressing the buttons. I’m done talking at you. Because you certainly don’t listen.
it starts again. oh well i think ill join in again. maybe later though. fuck it y not now.
spiderdan thats your opinion of msh. i personally didnt find it as fun as xvsf. and luigi im not even gonna comment on your quotes. they arent worth my time. i mean no hate or whatever but you have admited you know nothing about the game. and the character balance in this game is a hell of a lot better in this game than other games. and i never complained about the cheapeness in this game. its in the game in can live with it and get by it most of the time.
Meh agreed. The game is mad broken. So broken they had to release a new versions of it.
The game is still being played online and still evolves. Most people say there are no top tiers in this but there are. People on kaillera just complain and have all kinds of tricks to stop combos and have the game in their favor.
I chilled from playing this game online cause there was only a few that I could truly go all out on without them whining :bluu:
I think this game would be fun in tourny but the losers may not like being infed all day by the winners
amazingly, spiderdan said practically teh same thing I said, except for the example of MSH instead of COTA, and he knows much more than you about the game. Plus, you should know about teh other games if you’re trying to compare. I think it’s pretty accurate to say that I know more about MvC2 than you do, so , your ability to compare XSF to things that are actually played is irrelevant, thus all your points are worthless.
You say XSF is ‘Broken’(Which only means the gameplay is very very narrow.) Yet you also say something like ‘Cheapness’ does not exist. That playing solely for the checkmark below the lifebar ‘expands’ gameplay, not narrows it. According to that thought, your ‘tourney style’ XSF would be the epitome of expanded gameplay.
That’s called a paradox. And when your own arguement forms a basic, simple paradox based on it’s primary ideas, that means you lose.
Here’s another thought. Groups have a negative effect on intelligence. In a group, conformity is a goal of all participants, at least to some degree. Those with intelligence, are able to act stupid. Those without, are not able to act intelligent. Thus, logic dictates, overall intelligence goes down. There’s only one exception. Specialized groups.(Each person with his own task.) But that’s not really a group anyway.
So you, with your paradox and ‘the masses’, may continue to insist that you are right. Be my guest. All the more humor in my life.
On a note more related to the thread… If XSF ‘was’ at Evo next year… How many people would play it. I’m honestly curious, if I’m going to be there next year, it’d be good to know.
Prozac: You are the one who continues to insist 9-1 fights are winnable, (Chun vs Ryu,) and you also play by your own arbritrary sense of rules. For that, everyone is laughing at you, not vice versa. I don’t know why you can’t see this.
XSF probably won’t be at Evo, and the # of people that would enter it would be very small since noone plays the game. Read Apoc’s post above for more clarification.
You seem to be approaching posts with an Overconfedidence and Confirmation bias. You first need to establish the fact that more people see broken games as funner aka MVC2 CVS2 KOF +. People strive to find glitches and tactics others may see as cheesy in order to get all they can out of the game. EX: cvs2 roll cancel , mvc2 infs , kof infs etc.
While it may seem brokeness limits gameplay… if studied it actually brings more things into the game. May not seem like it but look at statistics of top competitive games played. So my argument is not a paradox.
Me thinking I am right on the issue about this game is not based from my own ideas. Mine are based on fact and statistics unlike yours.
That’s why you keep getting tripped up. You are bending over backwards to make a ho’ into a housewife.
Playing to win makes GOOD games get better.
Oh no! He’s reaching for the old “They all told Columbus he was wrong!” argument! You’ve already stooped to using the classic defense of ANY PERSON that’s outnumbered (whether they are right or wrong).
Here’s a thought. If what you said above was correct, as societies grew in number, they would actually become “less intelligent” (whatever that means… on average? at the top? at the bottom?), and, using your logic, I guess we would get dumber and dumber until we stopped moving, right?
Too bad that society has made GIANT LEAPS FORWARD in knowledge and technology as numbers have expanded. Oh, there’s that pesky real world interfering with your mindless theories again.
Apparently, you have totally failed to consider that intelligent people can teach those who are less intelligent, to the point where they are above the knowledge level of those who might be more “intelligent” but are totally ignorant (this is where you come in). Society, as a whole, accumulates knowledge, and the more input that there is to the society, the faster the knowledge accumulates.
For every Columbus, Copernicus, and Einstein that turned the world upside down, there are millions of self-serving idiots that are bent on reinventing the wheel.
in my opinion i think there would be a lot of people who enter the xvsf tourny next year if it were at evo. granted a lot of people dont play it as much. the game is still fun. that just my opinion.
obviously that is your opinion. like you said, maybe you should know about both sides before you make statements. you automatically assume i suck because you dont know nothing about me. whatever dude.
can i get some one else to argue with. someone else say something about my posts. id pick prozac but im with him. spiderdan is already busy with him to. hell i’ll even say something stupid like Dhalsim is the greatest in the game.
Echoing what Apoc said, just because it’s fun does not mean it should be in a tourney. In that case, smash brothers is fun, let’s have it at evo2k4 whee!
It will be the true until you prove the opposite. Nobody will believe that you know XSF better than the top players until you prove that you can be as good as then. Its like mortons saying that they are better at Golf than Tiger Woods or something like it.
Until someone proves the oppsoite, Tiger Woods will be the golf authority and playesr like Spiderdan and sabin will be the XSF authority. You might say what you want about XSF, and I might say what I want about golf, but nobody gives a damn
You did not understand the point. XSF is broken because 3 characters rule the game, with very little variety in tactics. It becames boring and relatively random at high high level play. This is not happening in any of the classic tourney games.
About statistics, here is one for you. Every high level player believes Mvc2 is a tourney game, the same can be said for ST and some others. Every high level player believes XSF is not a tourney game, so statistics and facts say you are wrong. And high level player is defined here as someone who wins/places at big tourneys, before random people strats to whine here
