Heh… Ryu vs Chun. One of my favorite match-ups. I believe you said, Spider-Dan, that Chun has the advantage of random, invincible supers when she feels like it. Well, with Ryu vs Chun, Ryu has the advantage, of his opponent “thinking” she can do random, invincible supers. Bait her into QCF+KK, Block, Pushblock, AG Cancel, Punch Throw, and mess that shit up. Match over, Chun 0. The Pushblock Cancel kills chun’s Super, taking away a major advantage. It makes it so she has to play more cautiously with the QCF+KK, and I’ve yet to find a Chun that’s accustomed to cautious rushdown.
Granted, she’s good, but she’s not invincible. One of her major disadvantages is the players. Random QCF+KK ‘is’ a hard habit to break, especially when you’re not quite sure if it’ll hit, which is the case with a lot of her distance pokes, and her other supers are a little weak.
Ryu, I do believe can survive in tough matches. Ken is based too much on psych to win again and again, because eventually all his little tricks lose their edge. Akuma is ok, but doesn’t really have Ryu’s edge, just Ken’s psych and some change.
Anyways, Spider-Dan, much obliged that you’re willing to go back and re-evaluate. Hopefully, you’ll find that quick early hits are too fast for the Pushblock. (That was a half-thanks, by the way. )
Anyways… If anyone’s interested… Me and T-K will be proving just how cracked out the game is in an exhibition ‘presentation’, which should be out in a matter of days. And why that’s all the more reason to play it.
WTF?? this doesnt beat chun at all. why would chunli do supers randomly? she doesnt need to. low forward beats all of ryus moves anyway, and she has the walking speed advantage. its really bad. ryu cant stick out any limbs, throw any fbs, or jump, if he STICKS OUT ANYTHING, he will get supered on reaction, outprioritized, or thrown, your pick. Oh yeah, don’t fuck up teching my throws because if you get baited into sticking out something youre going to lose half your life.
*Originally posted by Spider-Dan *
**I will also add that I’ve never seen a Chun player even take time to learn her infinites (myself included). She gets so many opportunities for launches that I would probably put her at #1 if I saw a consistent infinite for her. **
oh oh oh that would be me. i took the time to learn her shit and can do it consistently. and rogue owns her pretty easily. and no not just the dive kick. there is a lot of ways to beat chun with rogue.
originally posted by luigi* Suck it , boy. Lets get real. Who plays XSF? You and your kaillera boys, and yet when it comes tourney time Spiderdan, Sabin or even Mvc2 players like David Lee own you all.
shit. im not a kaillers player but i challenge anyone of these guys next year if its there. i wont use chun either and they can pick who they want. i’m not saying there not good im just saying they wont own me.
originally posted by RiO tHa HeRo yea n ppl play tetris more than xvsf so we should that in evo too right? faggot.
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originally posted by sabin but whatever. xsf is stupid.
:lol: :lol: this is funny too. we will be expecting to hear from luigi about this. “sabin said the game is stupid. whatever a top player says i agree with him.” yeah whatever dude. get your own opinion. and every game is stupid in its own way. just cause a game is stupid doesnt mean its not fun to play. cvs2 the sakura a custom is ridiciously stupid. still its a fun game to play. mvc2 the cable glitch is stupid but its still a fun game to play.
originally posted by Prozac `Nation Anyways… If anyone’s interested… Me and T-K will be proving just how cracked out the game is in an exhibition ‘presentation’, which should be out in a matter of days. And why that’s all the more reason to play it.
we will be waiting prozac.
originally posted by MegaMan6380 ~bottom~
cammy
shotos
Rogue:eek::eek:
gief
wolvie
how the fuck did Rogue get in there. in know your for xvsf but rogue is not bottom tier. your list is all wrong. how the fuck is cyc middle tier. gambit and bison top tier. i dont think so. all gambit has is his stick and thats easily stopped with an uppercut. and bison is good but not that good. i think the only you got right was chun in top tier.
Yeah, tetris gets more play so, by your reasoning, it should be at evo, like DDR and half the games in the world, less dead than XSF. In fact, I would use tetris in my post at first, but then soccer games seemed more interesting.
And umthrfkr. Sabin said the game is stupid. whatever a top player says i agree with him. He knows the game. If Michale Jordan says something about high level basketball and you say something afterwards, I won’t be even listening to you. live with it, or get good enough to beat them.
And beat David Lee in a tourney, OK. From casual play, I believe I might get lucky and win a tourney against Duc at Mvc2 since I won a couple matches when I went to SHGL(long time ago) . Guess what? Torney players are for real, so I can’t beat Duc and you can’t beat the top XSF players, until proved otherwise.
LOL. Welcome to 1997. Not only does that strategy (pushblock into throw) generically apply to all characters (not just Ryu), but it doesn’t solve anything.
I encourage you to attempt to pushblock and throw my QCF+KK. In exchange for a few less pixels of block damage, I get an opportunity to actually start hitting you with my super if your throw timing is off, and even if you do time the throw correctly, I am almost guaranteed to tech hit, as I am mashing strong/fwd/fierce/RH during the super. (Of course, the dynamics of this scenario are totally different on Kaillera, where autofire ensures that your throw timing is never off. I should point out that I’m talking about arcade only.)
The only characters that this “strategy” is even remotely viable for are Zangief (untechable throw), and Bison/Dhalsim (throws do damage even if teched).
Uhhh… EVERY game has “close tiers” when you stop doing the things that separate the good characters from the bad ones.
In XSF, the good characters are good precisely because they are cheap. You are manipulating the “rules” so that the characters you like don’t suck. In the real world, the game is not very balanced, at all.
And which infinite are you doing? Off of what setup?
Rogue dies to lots of characters. Are you playing under Capcom’s rules, or “no doing stuff that kills my favorite characters” rules?
That list is not even close to accurate (Wolvie last?) but Gambit and Storm fully deserve to be on top.
Top 4 (alphabetical):
Chun
Cyke
Gambit
Storm
If your solution to Gambit’s stick is doing a DP, you won’t be alive for very long. You guess right, I lose 15% life. You guess wrong, you get infinited (or at the very least, your lifebar gets slashed in half).
Heh. Have people always been doing the AG cancel vs Chun’s QCF+KK tactic like idiots since 1997? There is no risk of breaking your block if you hold back. Either the throw comes out, or the block comes out. A, or B, period. And, if your timing is off(Which mine isn’t. That means I can also substitute a DP for a throw against a reliable Tech’er.), you’re perfectly able to just hold back and mash Strong+Fierce. Without fear of risk. So, unless you think burning a bar for no reason(That is, IF you do manage to tech hit, and if they use a throw that can be tech hit), And switching control of the gameflow over to your opponent, is an advantage, she still loses in that equation. She does ‘not’ have the potential for a free, easy super without risk.
And, on the contrary, Spider-Dan, I, and many others, are manipulating the rules so that all the characters, are more equal. Not just the ones ‘I Like’. Otherwise I would say ‘You can do infs on everybody but Charlie’. The whole point of the global shift in rules(Also known as Ethics, a loose code by which people may compete), is so that the fair competition is more challenging.
And stop making shit up about kaillera before I smack your fool ass. It may be laggy(Ever since snausage[a server] went down), and it may have one frame macros(Mame mostly, however), but I played on it for 4 years, and never used, nor believed I was playing someone who used, Autofire.
That’s funny. In my game, they’re good because of the player using them. Personally, I like my game more. Have fun with yours.
In my game, that is cheap too. Rules of playing my game:
Turn on XSF
Argue for 20 minutes about who’s version of XSF your playing
Realize that pocket fighter is better than every version anyway
Turn off XSF
Put in another game
I think my version is far more ethical, fair, and skilled than anything presented in this thread, I hope everyone will take it into consideration at the next event, I know I will. If you don’t appreciate it, your just being cheap.
…which is why I’ve seen people holding back and get hit by the super after a pushblock.
Like I said, you’re welcome to try to throw it.
LOL. Then why didn’t you just say that in the first place, instead of detailing an extremely old strategy?
Answer: Because you knew we’d all laugh at you. You’re now going to try to claim that you can pushblock->DP that super at a rate high enough to warrant eating the rest of the super if you mess up? I’d like to see that done in the arcade.
a) Chun gets limitless meter against Ryu anytime she wants it (Ryu has no ability to stop her runaway meter building)
b) Ryu does not have a throw that cannot be tech hit
c) It doesn’t switch control to Ryu at all… she’s perfectly safe, and he can’t do anything to her from a standstill anyway
Ryu has absolutely no tool to make Chun fear doing the super anytime she feels like it.
And, as Sabin noted, this entire tangent deals solely with Ryu’s [in]ability to deal with… random supers! Chun has a crippling random super threat against him, but she doesn’t even NEED it. She can systematically poke him to bits and combo into the super, at any range.
The characters are only “more equal” if you play them all without any regard to tactics and strategy. Once you start using actual strategy again (i.e. exploiting matchups) the tiers naturally reform.
Funny that you claim to be a “Kaillera champion” and yet are so naive.
People do not escape throws at a 90%+ success rate in the arcade. I have seen Juggernaut’s command throw tech hitted over 10 times in one match on Kaillera. What a remarkable coincidence that playing on Kaillera means that you have access to methods to escape any techable throw at a 100% rate, simply by holding a direction+button!
That’s funny, because in the real world, when played by equally skilled experts, some characters are better than others. It must be unusual to play a game where there’s no point in discovering the differences between the characters, because none of them have any advantages over any of the rest; they’re all equal, and it’s all player skill!
Personally, I like the actual game, where people try to discover and use the best strategies, more than your version, where whatever strategies you don’t like are arbitrarily banned.
yeah i know the game also. you just havent seen me play. so what. and i wouldnt ever say anything about high level basketball or argue with Micheal Jordan about it. get some better examples. and i know im good enough to beat top players. whether you know it or not doesnt matter to me. and i dont need to prove it to someone who stated the he doesnt know anything about the game. buzz off.
and to spiderdan rogue doesnt die to a lot of characters. i play regularly. not by these dont hit my favorite character rules you speak of. ive never heard of or played by these rules. are the fun to play by?
Perceived problem: some characters (e.g. Cyclops) have infinites that are much easier to set up and fully execute than others (e.g. Sabretooth).
Result: Cyclops gets a big advantage
New rule: No infinites!
New result: Cyclops takes a huge hit, Sabretooth is almost unaffected (in fact, Sabretooth retains 100% corner combo)
This is the type of artificial balancing by arbitrary rules that I’m talking about. Suppose that instead of saying “no infinites,” you say “no more than one super in a combo.”
Now, Sabretooth takes the hit, and Cyke is almost unaffected.
So, these arbitrary rules are designed to selectively make certain characters better than others.
I am the best XSF player, whether you all know it or not doesn’t matter, it’s the truth. I would also like to say that all my MSH losses to Dan were just practice, and I really own that game too.
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