XvSF tourney at evo next year?

The point of debate that brought about the ‘my existence’ statement, is that people often refuse to believe something until they see it. Wether in person, or on a tourney roster. What I am, is a very skilled XSF Player. In terms of my existence, that’s all that matters on this forum. Many people, have already refused to believe it. And, as stated, that doesn’t change anything.

Here are the facts. When you KO the first character in XSF, the FS is instantly imposed(There are some exceptions, i.e., if you KO with an air throw, you can still do a beam super). The FS does not go away, until the second character is approximately halfway through his descent ‘onto the stage’. You cannot Pushblock during FS. With the Guard Breaks I listed, you hit them at the start of their descent, with quick moves(Stronger moves would leave the enemy in guard stun longer, giving them time to Pushblock at the very end, with good timing). They can’t pushblock it. If you wait until after they recover from the block, and attack again, it’s a guard break. You cannot block twice in one normal jump.

There are no ifs, ands, or buts. You CAN guard break in XSF.

As for my opinion on wether the game should be included… Of course. I’m an XSF Fanboy. However, Casual play can sometimes be more entertaining then serious, tourney play, so as long as the machine’s there, I’ll be happy.

As far as the cheapness thread, don’t assume. Your personal ideas on ‘why I stopped posting to it’ can’t even begin to be accurate when you have such an obvious bias.

And, on the contrary, it’s Believing in Cheapness that helped me develop the variety of effective tactics I use today. Not that you would know, seeing as how you know absolutely nothing about ‘Believing in Cheapness’, other then that you don’t.

I understand your point about Gbs. It seems pretty clear now.

About you avoiding posts there(cheapness thread), what makes me have that opinion was a pretty simple fact. You refused to play Spiderdan on Kaillera, based on the fact that you don’t play there anymore(lag and such). Still, around the same week, I came to the gamecombos forum and there it was your thread about kaillera matches, where you could find new opponents and stuff. You might had some misterious reason, but it sure looked like “chickening out” to me.

I don’t think believing in cheapness makes you better. Like MvC2, while I was learning different ways to get out of Doom/Bh trap, anti-cheap people were learning different ways to do stuff that would not work if they get trapped in the first place. That’s why most, maybe all , tourney players are against your beliefs.
But having fun is a totally different matter. some might have fun by winning, others by doing combos, others by watching TV and never playing games. Its personal so I understand if banning certain tactics gives more fun to you, which would not remain true for me, for instance.

And don’t worry. You exist :slight_smile:

Check the post date on that Kaillera thread, and you’ll see it’s relatively old, long before any of this Spider-Dan business.

I do have fun by competition, just a slightly different brand of competition. However… I am interested in wether or not it’s going to be at Evo…

Oh, and thanks for not being a complete fool. :slight_smile:

I am pretty sure it will be at Evo. Just ask Inkblot or Javi couple months before to make sure.

haha, you know that “not being a complete fool” is not exactly a compliment, right? :slight_smile:

Prozac, I haven’t had the chance to test your claim (I do remember pushblocking and air SJing out of guard break attempts after 1st KO, but your description does not seem implausible), but if you are right, thanks for bringing some new info to the thread.

Anyway, two points:

  1. If the point trying to be made is that guard breaks are legitimate in XSF, after all the complaining about Cable’s GBs (which require meter, which Cable usually consumes when killing a character in the first place), then how is GB into infinite “better” than GB into AHVB? It’s much, much worse.

  2. The complaint about variety in MVC2 tournaments is groundless. There have been several XSF tournaments (NECs, MWC) and (IIRC) everyone that has done any good has had one or more of the following on his team:

Chun Li
Cyclops
Storm

Consequently, if the argument is that if one thinks XSF tourneys would have such vast variety in characters, the natural response would be, “Only until all the weak people get eliminated.”

I like XSF as a game, but (between two equally skilled experts) the game devolves to an infinite fest at worst, a runaway contest at best.

oh shit. whats up prozac. i havent played you in a while. i quit playin online also. the shit was just to easy. dont let these fools get to you cause they dont know you and think everyone else sucks cause they havent heard of you. i know you and you know me. we know we are good. thats all we need to know. fuck them if they havent heard of us.

and about the pushblock after the first ko in xvsf. it is true and thats what ive been trying to say. another example: kill first with juggerbut and crouching fierce the next opponent. boom guard break. now super that foo.

and not everyone uses chun cyc and storm. granted i can play with them, but i usually use rogue. she is just too beast in this game. ive seen some people use dhalsim and cammy as their team, gief and gambit, charlie and sabre. are they good, hell yeah. do they have a chance at winning a tourny, hell yeah. i play them about every weekend. just cause they arent known doesnt mean they suck.

Plenty of people use other characters (outside of tournaments) in MVC2, and do quite well… but it doesn’t count when talking about MVC2, right?

The point of the matter is:
This thread is asking for XSF at Evo. As one of the reasons, it claims that character balance in much better in XSF than in MVC2.

We already have had XSF tournaments at NEC (every year), and MWC. These tournaments have had very little variety (much, MUCH less than MVC2).

If you want XSF to be at Evo, why don’t you enter one of the XSF tournaments at NEC and win with some weak characters? (I would recommend shotos if you want to prove a point.)

actually at the last nec the xvsf tourny was cancelled cause of the roundhouse kept going off on random. and i dont think they had one at mwc. and why would i have to win with a weak character for it to be at evo. and shotos arent that weak. like i said everyone is strong in the game.

Dunno what you’re talking about, Spider-Dan. If anything, Shoto’s are “top” in XvSF too.

Mag, Charlie, Storm, All 3 Shoto’s, Wolv, Sabre, Cyc, and Gambit are the “better” chars to me. Juggernaut, Dhalsim, Bison, Gief, Rogue, Chun, and Cammy can stand a chance but take a little more commitment I think? I dunno, those are just my feelings.

Maybe it was last year, but David Lee won (Magneto/Cyke), DSP got 2nd (Gief/Cyke)… teams may be slightly different. For the record, both finalists agreed not to use Storm or Chun in the finals. Yay for competitive balance!

If the argument is that all characters are strong, then back it up.

And like I said, the garbage characters are only “strong” when people refrain from playing to win (i.e. using infinites, or playing in an extremely tedious and boring style).

In a tournament setting where people play to win, 2/3rd to 3/4th of the cast is not any good.

Note to T-Kimura:
Shotos are better than Chun? You cannot be playing the same game. Shotos…

  • cannot stop Storm from running away
  • get scraped hard by 2-button Cyclops (3 buttons if he wants to get fancy)
  • have bad matchups against the vast majority of the cast, which really doesn’t matter much because they lose so violently to Cyclops (a very popular character) that their other matchups are almost irrelevant

If you’re talking about version 2, you can get rid of Wolvie and Sabretooth as well. Both get dominated by Chun in all sorts of stupid ways.

Your list is mainly composed of a bunch of characters that do OK against each other, but against a serious Cyke/Chun/Storm/Gambit player, most of those characters get shut down.

y r u guys arguing about if this game is balanced or broken? u should be discussing how we can get this shit on tha next evo. who cares if its broken this game is fun n even more fun to watch. the main point of tourneys is to cater to tha masses right? so y isnt this shit in evo already. if they can put tha bs games they did this year iono y they cant put xvsf in next year. i bet xvsf will get more entries then sc2 or tekken games. all i gotta say is cater to tha masses. who cares if this shit is broken. even ppl who say this game isnt tourney worthy will join if its put in evo.

You can say that for MvC1 as well. Or the latest Super Smash Brothers game. Or KoF 2k2. So why XSF? Maybe Evo should have like 50 tourneys to have you satisfied…

Chun is garbage, Spider-Dan. Charlie can easily win her. Can you explain how Chun is so good?

You can’t jump at her- s.rh beats almost every jump attack (only Cyke’s c.fwd is better, and only by a little bit)

Most characters can’t fight her on the ground- c.fwd is too good, and she has the almost-perpetual threat of safe random super (she can get meter anytime she wants). Trying to outpoke Chun at close-to-mid range is suicide.

She has a couple of disadvantaged matchups (Dhalsim, Charlie probably being the worst) but she has such favorable matches against most of the other characters (and dominates the non-projectile characters) so hard that it’s barely a factor.

I will also add that I’ve never seen a Chun player even take time to learn her infinites (myself included). She gets so many opportunities for launches that I would probably put her at #1 if I saw a consistent infinite for her.

umm sure guy. please dont speak again. ur a moron.

Suck it , boy. Lets get real. Who plays XSF? You and your kaillera boys, and yet when it comes tourney time Spiderdan, Sabin or even Mvc2 players like David Lee own you all.

MvC1 is the most played game on kaillera(that seems important to you) already had the B5 invitational and have the japanese going really hardcore at it, probably more than US. In fact, anything that brings MT here for a TT exhibition worths a lot more than any XSF tourney.

KoF2k2 is number one game in lots of countries. It reinforces the community and Evo worldwide.

SSBM is played by tons more people than XSF. You might end up with a zillion little kids, but sure is better publicity. Be prepared to appear in magazines and stuff, plus you get a couple hundred more potential players to join the community.

Face it, your game is dead. Why don’t you throw a tourney and shut the fuck up!

For god’s sake, you could run a racing or soccer tourney and get more people, easily.

like i said before dont speak again. dont assume cuz u dont know shit. me n my kaillera boys? y do u assume im a kaillera player? u seem to know all the facts about wat gets played on kaillera (watever this shit is) so looks like it matters to u not me. just dont speak nemore ur an herb.

n dont assume i get owned by all the players u named. ive played wit david lee n i can hang eventhough i just started playing this game. so dont fackin assume u faggot.

yea n ppl play tetris more than xvsf so we should that in evo too right? faggot.

~XVSF tiers~ (with NO infinites)

~top~
chun
storm
tooth
gambit
bison (dont laugh)

~middle~
charlie
mags
cyc
juggs
dhalsim

~bottom~
cammy
shotos
rogue
gief
wolvie

…actually, without “cheap-play” (run away, infinites, and 100% combos) the tiers are very, very close together. Thats why i love this game. :smiley:

If you weren’t so cheap yourself everyone else could enjoy it too.

Im not being sarcastic or anything but do i know you?