It doesnt matter if Spiderdan is the best USA xsf player or not, the point is this game is not viable in tournament play. Fun game, yes, but not tournament worthy.
The best players play in tourneys BTW, there arent any random people out there who are supposedly “better”.
XvSF is perfectly tourney worthy. I’ve seen better stuff pulled off in XvSF than say MvC2, in MvC2 you mostly see the same teams played 24/7 and the same shit. Dunno… Competition just seems better, I’d like to see what people got, I know a lot of people still love this game.
And… How do you know that there isn’t someone better out there that simply doesn’t care for tournaments and whatnot… You don’t have any real facts or proof.
Do you understand what a fucking GUARD BREAK is?
If you can SUPER JUMP and BLOCK during the “guard break” then YOUR GUARD ISN’T BROKEN, IS IT?
How do you know that leprechauns aren’t real?
The answer is, you can’t prove that something doesn’t exist. You can sit around all day and say, “I bet there’s probably a basketball player in India that’s better than Michael Jordan, but he’s never played in organized competition!” What fun.
If YOU are the one claiming that there is some savant out there that has never played in a tournament, YOU back it up. Otherwise, the rest of the rational world will keep on thinking that people who have actually PROVEN THEMSELVES TO BE GOOD (in actual competition, as opposed to imaginary) are the best.
There are no guard-breaks in version 1.0
anything else im not sure about
It is a simple matter, in fact. Go to EVO 2004 and you’ll find probably several XSF cabinets or consoles there. If you and your pals manage to get great winstreaks over players like Sabin and Spiderdan you will prove that are reliable tactics in the game that can clearly separate the best players and make it tourney worthy.
More important, after that your opinion will start to matter, so you have a chance to really increase the community for the game/start having tourneys/whatever.
The thing is, if you aren’t capable of playing at tourney level, you also aren’t able to judging if the game is or is not playable at that level, and that’s why most people stick to the opinions of the best players when it comes to tourney play.
So until you or one of your pals starts dominating this game I think you should stop arguing.
Sabin told me on another thread that MvC1 is broken. If the best player in the game tells me its broken who am I to argue? And who are you?
You mean you CAN do them if your opponent SUCKS. It’s like saying you can GB Spiral at MvC2, or that Roll alone can easily perfect teamscrub using only jabs(you CAN if you’re LUCKY enough to have an opponent that never presses any button).
No offence or anything dude, but i see some serious nut ridding here.
no one is saying the game isn’t broken or anything like that. everyone can tell you xvsf of broken. even these scrubs you speak of. just because someone is good in the game doesnt mean you have to listen to everything they say.
If were lookin if its a tournameant level game, then i have to say it is. i mean come on. in mvc2 you can kill a character and then guard crush the next character and kill him without the opponent able to attack. wtf is that shit. in xvsf you have infinites and thats about it(mvc2 also has infinites). yeah you grab into infin or super into infin but at you have a chance after a character dies to come in and do some damage back instead of getting shot by cable into superx5.
and just because people are unheard of across the nation doesnt mean they suck. who are you to judge someone else you haven’t seen play??? yeah sure i believe you that spiderdan is good. but as for being the best try lookin at everyone to see that. just because we cant all make it to evo, doesn’t mean we suck. and
Who are U???
Look, if you want to learn math you will look for someone with a dgree in math or ask little kids? It is the same for every subject. Opinions of people who have no clue are meaningless. Imagine if we follow gamers advice to run the economy, or something like that.
I have no clue on XSF, so I have to believe in the top players about it. And looking at everyone is too dumb an excuse. Maybe you know someone who is better than Tiger Woods at golf, or better than Jordan at basketball. Why nobody knows these “misterious amazing players”? Until someone proves the opposite, tourney winners are the best. It is like Justin Wong, winning for 2 years and still nobody appeared “out of nowhere” and defeated him. More thna that, every one that took matches from him at tourneys were others well knownn tourney players.
Even if you can’t go to tourneys, you can prove you really understand a game by posting top notch info on the forums. Foreign players like white, mt and kdcmarvel are well respected and recognized here because of that, IMO. About older vs games, you can fight top play posts often by Spiderdan, Sabin and Dasrik. Maybe a couple others, but no Kaillera players at all.
At MvC2, you need strategy and getting around of assists, traps, chip damage and lots of other things that can decide the game. Plus, meter management is very important for most characters. Apparently, at XSF, you might just need a little luck. Both you and your opponent are dashing in d.LK. You hit, you won. If he hits, he won. Your team oreder is not mportant, you meter is not important, all that matters is getting a hit. It might prove itself to be tourney worthy, but until someone develops something better than that(asides from Storm runaway, you can do that at MvC2) the game will be dumb, in the opinions of most.
If you want tourneys that much, go run some. 3ST players did it and get the game back on its wheels. If XSF has the potential, you might do it too, but don’t expect srk to be doing this for you anytime soon.
2 things also:
I think every game that is not solely based out of luck might be tourney worthy, including XSF, but when you want to select a few, you must choose the deeper and/or most popular ones, XSF is neither
At MvC2, there is a zillion ways to avoid AHVBx5. At sj level, Cable can do AHVB x 1 at its best. He usually combos AHVBx3 when you make mistakes, since he is kinda slow and low in priority. More than that, there’s a zillion ways to avoid his GBs. The only hypothesis where AHVBx5 would happen would be if Cable has 5 bars, burn 3 to kill a character(that usually is hurt so 3 AHVBs out of 5 bars are not extremely common), your uncoming character has no fast teleports, and your team is not build in a way that can escape from it with a DHC(your problem). Plus, you can pushblock, fly, AD, take the hit, do a stay in the air move or several things to confuse Cable, which works in lots ofg tourney matches. Infinites like XSF have no restrictions. You land it, its over. 1 out of 2 characters(not 3 like MvC2).
how do you avoid his GB? I bet you can’t name 2 let alone a zillion
Ensure that 100+ people will enter, and there’s no reason not to have it IMO (until there are too many games). It really doesn’t matter if the game is great or not.
The problem is that you cant prove it through petitions and online votes, you have to get some REAL life turnout to ensure that people are actually willing to play. That pretty much solves every “what about this game?” question, at least at first.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: a zillion does sound like a lot.
Spider-Dan. There ARE guard breaks in XSF. One of the most practical oppurtunities TO guard break in XSF, is when a character comes in after a halftime KO. Amazingly, that time is ALSO the one time that someone can block an attack, and NOT be able to pushblock it(That means no air SJ escape), due to the restrictions that are imposed when you kill a first character. Before you go saying that someone else doesn’t know what they’re talking about, because they haven’t satisfied your needs for ‘worthiness’, YOU might want to get your own shit, and info, together.
Prime Examples. After a halftime KO, with Charlie, s.strong, s.strong(GB) xx Somersault Justice.
With Ryu:
j.strong (Land) (Delay) c.fierce xx SJ
ANY attack that hits them before the restrictions wear off, and can be followed up, can Guard Break.
Personally, I could care less wether or not my existance is believed… Doesn’t change my enjoyment, nor my job as the guy to correct the best US XSF player.
Dhalsims teleport, Spirals teleport, Bisons teleport, any fast special that can be cancelled into an instant DHC(Proton Cannon, Soul Eraser, Hail usually trades) or into Cammys KBA, counter with your own AHVB…
These are some sure ways. To confuse the opponent, you might also try air dashes, fly, push block, take the hit, moves to stay in the air(like cable’s grenade), QCF + punch with strider and more.
Now, what did I win?
who uses dhalsim, spiral or bison and most of those can be stopped with sj fp fp ahvb. in high level play i’ve never seen anyone get out unless the other guy messed up
to umthrfkr :
You would learn math on your own? Interesting. This means no books or help whatsoever. So you know about gravity because you developed your own theory? I bet you learn to read by yourself too. And never learnt anything from books or friends, since other people seems to be a bad source of info…
That’s the one stupid statement you made, IMO. All others I think are reasonable and I am going to discuss them below.
About tourney winners being the best:
I do believe that its possible to somebody to be better than the known tourney winners, even Justin Wong (I was cheering for Kdcmarvel to appear at Evo to see how good he was). But this is very unlikely. In fact, I think it never happened before. Sometimes a player is unknown because he is foreign, but wins big tourneys at his country(like Coy, from Mexico, or that canadian CvS2 player). Sometimes he is a surprise because no one thought he could be good outside of his region(Mixup). But never, a player out of nowhere, with no previous tourney experience, has won any nationals. Please correct me if I am wrong .
About proving yourself:
The opinions of people who are proven to be good have more weight. You must know games well to be able to judge them at tourney levels. Or else you will be doing the same as most magazines( it is great because has nice graphics, blah blah).
About XSF:
I never said all you need is luck. I said you might just need a little luck, with exactly those words. This is true for practically every game, but has a more powerful effect at XSF.
Team order is not important AT TOURNEYS because you don’t know what your opponent will be playing(the guy who won is out of the machine). You might guess and take the risk of losing by that or just pick your best team, no interaction like later vs games.
In the opinions of most TOURNEY PLAYERS the game is dumb. Ask Sabin, who won the last EC tourney. These are the opinions who matters the most. In the opinion of most little kids, Mortal Kombat is deep and competitive, even against the CPU.
Of course, if you guys manage to run some tourneys, then good luck and all the best for you. If not, you will keep finding good competition at any nationals, so there’s not such a big problem. You might even try to run console tourneys for XSF simultaneously at Impact or EVO and get the ball rolling for the game. I am not for banning XSF tourneys or anything.
I don’t know who wouldn’t believe you exist. There’s a really odd statement to do.
I do not know if your info is right, but I remember you giving up on the cheapness thread because other players knew so much more than you or something like it. If you got this one right, this still doesn’t make you better than the best players here. believing in cheapness also does not help.
Dhalsim is used by Viscant, Mixup and Kdcmarvel. Its also a counter to magneto, storm and cable. It seems pretty tournament worthy to me. spiral is used by Ducvader, bison by Viscant also, cammy worked pretty well for Justin wong lots of times. If you can beat those players, then you might call the characters useless.
Most people use Cable(counter with own AHVB) and/or Storm(special into hail). The FP GB can be confused easily than the AHVB one, I’ve seen SIN(the first top player to use it) miss it several times against players who take the hit.
And who DOESN’T use Storm? DHC into Hail usually works against both versions of GB, same with Proton Cannon(and IM is kinda popular also).
This is all really old stuff, so I don’t know how you never saw people getting out, get some vids then. So, what did I win? 
Its true, broken or not, ppl are still gonna sign up. I know i will.