XBox 720 To Ban Used Games?

[Forum_Viewer]

stay free 09’er plebeian.

[drizzt360]

Well, that 09’er is already elevated above you. You silly 12’er you. What the fuck man, didnt I tell you to kick rocks?

[SoVi3t]

stay banned, guy who will be banned by tonight

[Forum_Viewer]

[TheDarkPhoenix]

man i haven’t bored a game since ps2 days

[Radiantsilvergun3]

I laughed for about 5 minutes straight at that “Bob Marley” picture.

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Nothing says “amazing graphic designer” better than bold, italic, AND underline.

[DaRabidDuckie]

Nothing says “amazing graphic designer” better than bold, italic, AND underline.

Not to mention the fact that’s a picture of Jimi Hendrix. That’s actually brilliant.

[Radiantsilvergun3]

Nothing says “amazing graphic designer” better than bold, italic, AND underline.

He misspelled In and Peace…

[Smashbro29]

Can we stop paying attention to this asshole and go back to the actual discussion?

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[Pertho]

Hahahahahaha

Oh shit.

Hahahahahahaha.

[Honor_Basquiat]

Im not understanding your argument. When you buy a video game, what you purchase is the hardware and the software. You don’t buy the software so you can use it in a manner that lets you do what ever is it you want to do, but you payed for use of the software, and sell the software to another individual or organization, provided you payed for both the software and hardware and its the original one you payed for. You aren’t allowed to sell the images as your own, the plot, or the code. You aren’t allowed to distribute the code, and sell A COPY of it. You are allowed to sell the original hardware with the original code. What I do with my product after I paid for it is irrelevant to the publisher. I had already payed money for said product, the publisher can’t dictate whether or not I can sell my copy.

If I go along the same logic that you are using it would equate to this.

Im a painter, and I sell you a painting. I then find out that you sold the painting to another individual and I sue you because I didn’t get piece of that action. You can do whatever you want with it, but you can’t sell it to another person, because when you do, I deserve all the money that he is paying YOU for the painting. After all you have to support the artist.

It doesn’t make sense, and your logic or line of reasoning doesn’t make sense neither, its flawed.

It’s not flawed, and I never said buying a used game is wrong. If I buy kingdom hearts new, and complete the game, and then sell it to you, Disney Interactive or whoever makes the game, is harmed JUST as much as if you were just to buy it used. That’s my point. Re-read the post.

[SoVi3t]

It’s not flawed, and I never said buying a used game is wrong. If I buy kingdom hearts new, and complete the game, and then sell it to you, Disney Interactive or whoever makes the game, is harmed JUST as much as if you were just to buy it used. That’s my point. Re-read the post.

Yeah, that’s kinda how the ENTIRE rest of the economy works. Everything else I buy, I get to sell if I really give a shit, more or less. Sure, you get some obvious exceptions (no, I can’t sell used needles unfortunately), but I can resell my couch, computer, books, tables, clothes, bed, hell even the Xbox itself. Yet you’re now telling me that the video games…oh no, they’re exempt. Why again? Explain why. You’re losing money. Yup, so does EEEEVERYBODY else. Yet again, this is how the economy works. You think the couch makers of the world aren’t really pissed that people are tossing couches on the curb for young students to pick up, rather than buy a new couch? Them’s the simple fucking breaks. You don’t get to setup militia’s to romp through town and destroy used couchs on curbs, and make used couches illegal, or make couches explode or fall apart after they move out of the house.

You wanna know what killed this whole thing for me? I bought Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 for XBLA. And then my 360 went up in flames. And Midway is gone, so therefore Ultimate Mortal Kombat is gone. So I can’t redownload a game I paid for and own.

Companies want to go to completely digital copies of games that will be so locked down you’ll only be able to play it on one device ever without ever being able to reconfigure your hardware in any way while this is on there. Because of idiot bullshit EULA’s and corporate studity and a complete lack of understanding of what their ACTUAL audience is. It’s movies you buy with “Don’t Pirate” warnings all over the opening (which you mysteriously avoid with pirated movies), and it’s bullshit like DRM and anti-used games mentalities. Fuck right off, don’t start pissing off your customers because you’re greedy fucks and stupid ignorant fucks.

[Tien_Gouki]

You live in Stockton? Me too!

Let’s settle this dispute once and for all. Meet at the McDonalds on 1423 North Center Street so we can handle this shit like men.

Don’t you mean the streets of rage?

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[CLU_2]

Banning Forum Viewer won’t improve SRK.

Some of the things this guy is saying make a lot of sense!

Sense?

Like… smell?

AKA he’s full of shit?

Well, you can kick rocks just like he did…

Didn’t he get banned for being a Welsh Mexican during a Pagan Holiday copped by X-tians?

I’m part Welsh.

He has given the unwholesome part of me a bad name, and must STAY banned.

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In their defense, purchasing used games or borrowing used games is on par with pirating a game as far as the developer is concerned. Here’s something I wrote a few months ago. The conclusion is essentially that if you support buying used games you might as well support piracy (not like I’m judging).
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4.“Pirating is stealing. Buying or borrowing a used game is not stealing.” Simply not true. Stealing by definition is theft. Theft removes the original version of something. Piracy makes a copy of the original. All cases (buying a game used, borrowing a game from a friend or pirating a game) lead to someone benefiting from the game without supporting the studio.

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I think most people tradittionally have this in mind when considering the issue:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine
I realize the issue of comp. software is a bit more nuanced, and I dont know naything, but I am inclined to think that this another unfortunate case of lawyers gone wild, devising more ingenious loophole exemptions.
I cant say its not interesting to read about though.

also: PCs are for rich people

[Kusanagi02]

Yeah, that’s kinda how the ENTIRE rest of the economy works. Everything else I buy, I get to sell if I really give a shit, more or less. Sure, you get some obvious exceptions (no, I can’t sell used needles unfortunately), but I can resell my couch, computer, books, tables, clothes, bed, hell even the Xbox itself. Yet you’re now telling me that the video games…oh no, they’re exempt. Why again? Explain why. You’re losing money. Yup, so does EEEEVERYBODY else. Yet again, this is how the economy works. You think the couch makers of the world aren’t really pissed that people are tossing couches on the curb for young students to pick up, rather than buy a new couch? Them’s the simple fucking breaks. You don’t get to setup militia’s to romp through town and destroy used couchs on curbs, and make used couches illegal, or make couches explode or fall apart after they move out of the house.

You wanna know what killed this whole thing for me? I bought Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 for XBLA. And then my 360 went up in flames. And Midway is gone, so therefore Ultimate Mortal Kombat is gone. So I can’t redownload a game I paid for and own.

Companies want to go to completely digital copies of games that will be so locked down you’ll only be able to play it on one device ever without ever being able to reconfigure your hardware in any way while this is on there. Because of idiot bullshit EULA’s and corporate studity and a complete lack of understanding of what their ACTUAL audience is. It’s movies you buy with “Don’t Pirate” warnings all over the opening (which you mysteriously avoid with pirated movies), and it’s bullshit like DRM and anti-used games mentalities. Fuck right off, don’t start pissing off your customers because you’re greedy fucks and stupid ignorant fucks.

I have no problem with developers going after used game sales considering the Gamestop model. I mean i buy a game new and then trade back in the next day and I only get half of what i paid for it and then they turn around and sell it back for damn near the same price new. I think developers should get a cut of the sales to an extent.

[pedoviejo]

It’s not flawed, and I never said buying a used game is wrong. If I buy kingdom hearts new, and complete the game, and then sell it to you, Disney Interactive or whoever makes the game, is harmed JUST as much as if you were just to buy it used. That’s my point. Re-read the post.

But they aren’t harmed. Whether they or you slice it any way. You can’t say that they are harmed in a business sense (business ethics), because our current business models say this acceptable and ethical. The same business ethics that they use to justify their behavior also applies to them. Otherwise there would be a law against it. They the publishers aren’t harmed because they already got their value for one unit of product.

Isn’t it more unethical, in a business sense to dictate what one can and cannot do for the one unit they purchased?

Pirating a game is bad because the person who pirates the game benefits from it without supporting the studio. The same case can be made if someone buys a used game.

you didn’t say its wrong right?? Either way you are implying it indirectly. ****

[ElderGOD]

Don’t like it? Want to do something? Don’t buy a 720.

Don’t you mean the streets of rage?

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