Fox raising its ‘Marvel films’ slate to 3 movies a year with six new dates announced. Along with their February 14th 2019 movie:
My guesses:
X-Force
Deadpool 3
New Mutants 2
Fantastic Four Kids
Dark Phoenix sequel
The other two could be X-23 spinoff/Gambit/Alpha Flight/Exiles (pick two of them) or one could be a sort of “mega crossover” movie featuring the X-Men, X-Force and New Mutants all together.
With that each year we would have:
3 MCU movies
3 X-Men movies
It looks like Sony wants to release around 2 “Spider-Verse” movies a year
Rumors say WB wants 3 to 4 DC movies per year, but because of their production troubles let’s leave it at 2
That would mean we would have 10 to 11 superhero movies from the “Big Two” every year.
As for Fox, they have a record of probably having 3 movies good per each 2 bad. They’re so inconsistent I prefer them to release a lot of movies instead of only one per year, there’s more chance they could release things that are worth it or at least more options in less time.
Look at the period between The Last Stand and Wolverine Origins, they released only two movies within that 4 years period and both were bad. Maybe if they had released at least 1 movie per year we could have had some good memory of that period.
Wolverine Origins… and I rewatched X-Men: Apocalypse and the script (and sometimes the direction) really went wrong in many many ways, I totally see how some people consider it a terrible movie.
I would put First Class, DOFP, Logan, and Deadpool as undeniably excellent.
X2 , wolverine 2 as good 8/10
X1 and apocalypse have problems and are dated but Id put them in my 7 or mildly decent. (Iron Man 3 tier)
The 2 outright bad ones are still X3 and Origins wolverine.
I still feel DOFP is slightly better than the other 3 probably because of my own sensibilities.
Im not a SUPER deadpool and wolverine fan.
DOFP was very polished and had some good dramatic/emotional beats, and music with some cool power displays. (quicksilver/Blink).
Scenes like old/young charles talking, Magnus’ s takeover of the white house, Quicksilver sequence the climax, logan waking up in the “happy” altered future were my favorites.
While I wish there were more scenes from the future setting in the film and I think Dinklage was underused, I think it still holds up well.
Plus, you get to see Halle Berry die! woot!
Deadpool, Logan, DOFP, First Class, and X-Men 1 and X-Men 2 are 5-Star movies.
Wolverine 2, and Apocalypse had issues but were still good overall.
X-Men 3 was decent. Aside from the questionable story and numerous shock value deaths, what saved this one was, that it was still a really entertaining action movie w/X-Men characters. The cast also gave 100% with excellent performances too. So this one gets a pass.
X-Men Origins: Wolverine, is really the only legit bad one.
So 9 out of 10 movies, ranging from decent-to-great.
I said recently, like within the last 5 years or so.
DOFP came out in 2014, so I’ll give you that one… After that, only Deadpool and Logan were worth a shit.
Fox also released the shit piles that were Apocalypse and Fant4stic in this timeframe… Game. Set. Match.
Anyone who tries to argue for X-men 3 is obviously suffering from some terrible bout of Taste Ebola, and there is no negotiating with terrorists of that level.
Tis’ you sir whom are suffering from Taste Ebola, if you thought Apocalypse was a shitpile. It had it’s problems and could have been better but, overall, was good. Just not great.
And i was strictly talking about the X-Men movies, as this is an X-Men thread. Stay on topic please. Nobody gives a damn about Fant4stic.
Edit: I also maintain that despite it’s problems, X-Men 3 still had enough redeeming qualities to make it worthwhile. Again, i cite the performances. Famka Jansen’s Dark Phoenix for exampled, was pretty good. It’s the rest of the movie that was kinda weak. Then you had Hugh Jackman, Patrick Stewart, etc, all bringing their A-game with what they had to work with.
X2 DoFP Logan are the best Xmen based movies.
First Class is pretty ok but not on that level.
X1 is kinda dated but very decent even for now.
Wolvie 2 is meh
Apoc movie was bad. If your IQ is above 70 you can find several reasons why
X3 was shit
Wolverine Origins was shit
Alpha Tardy saying Apoc movie was good not great and then defending X3 is the kind of cancer taste you should avoid.
Apocalypse is a really mediocre movie, but only if you consider the excepcionally high standard people have for superhero movies nowadays; the audience that don’t care much about superheroes considered it better than decent.
X-Men: Dark Phoenix is going to be much worse than Apocalypse, I’m telling you here and now.
Ok. Give me your “expert” analysis on why X3 and Apocalypse were shit. I’m listening.
If you’d honestly place both movies near, if not in the same league, as Origins Wolverine? Then i’m afraid it’s you with serious judgement issues.
Worst case scenario, one could rank both movies as just “okay”. But to claim they’re legit bad and almost on-par with Origins is just laughable and judging both too harshly.
X3 is fucking garbage dude. Awful pacing, shit story telling, bloated cast, dumb as fuck final climax. Movies a mess.
Apocalypse isn’t as bad as those two, but it’s not particularly good either. Even ok is pushing it. Like Origins is a 0, X3 is a 2 and Apoc is like a 4.
I think the problem with X-Men Apocalypse is it was just really underwhelming for most. Considering the character and his history, many had HUGE expectations going in. Myself included. It didn’t help that movie trailers were hyping it like mad, as if it would be DOFP levels of epic.
However, you can only fit so much in a 2-hour movie. A lot of stuff like his connection to the celestials, time travel, the Dark Riders, Cable, etc, just couldn’t be thrown in without it turning into BatmanvSuperman levels of shlock for trying to include too much in a single movie. A GREAT live-action adaptation of the character, would have needed (2) movies at minimum.
What we got instead was like a condensed “hollywood”, cliffnotes version of the character. Also i felt he died a little TOO easily in the end. Like the script writers knew they were approaching maximum run-time and needed to wrap things up. So they ended it with him getting beam-supered to death, even though comic book Apocalypse would NEVER go down that easy. I don’t know why it was absolutely necessary to kill him at the end anyway. He would have made an excellent recurring villain, and perhaps meet his end more believably, in a future movie. Like getting killed by a full-fledged Dark Phoenix.
So i acknowledge the movie had problems. However, for what we got, it was still pretty good in it’s own right. The cast was great, action, performances, costumes, etc. Even though live-action Apocalypse was merely a shadow of his comicbook counterpart, he was still cool. Loved the Olivia Munn casting as Psylocke, even if she barely did anything. They topped the Quicksilver scene in DOFP nicely. Fassbender’s Magneto continues to be awesome. Was skeptical about the new Jean Grey and Cyclops but they turned out great, especially liked the Cyclops origin stuff. The Weapon X cameo was really cool to see as well and i like the way they worked it in.
Overall, it was still a good X-Men movie. Even if it didn’t live up to the prestige of it’s title character.
Apocalypse did bad choice after bad choice everywhere. From Apocalypse’s characterization, the selection of the Horsemen, to the screen time of the ‘classic X-Men’ (Cyke, Storm, Jean), to very specific direction choices that looked embarrassingly bad.
It was disheartening considering Singer’s previous entries of the franchise, a complete disappointment. If it is or it’s not a bad X-Men movie it’s debatable, but I think it’s completely clear it could have been way better than what we got.
I blame the rushed time of writing and production… and Dark Phoenix goes to the same route. Only this time is directed by Kinberg on his directional debut… let’s consider this guy’s not only a director newbie but it’s also rumored he directed Fant4stic after Trank left… so, Dark Phoenix looks like heading to a complete utter disaster.
I’m still going to watch the fuck out of it. In the end, Apocalypse might have been bad, but not insulting to the canon or source material. I’m sure Dark Phoenix will have quite a few things we can salvage.
