To add to your statement, The actress for Jean in this was, its her worst performance ever. I expected more from someone with Game of Thrones Cred.
X3 was just garbage on so many levels, not to mention how they butcher so many characters in that crap.
How they mishandle the whole Phoenix subplot, one of the Best Multiple Story Arcs the Xmen comic ever known was boiled down to a really shitty sub plot.
There was never a good Fantastic 4 Movie, Fox had FOUR chances, yes four, the first was so bad it was never released and you can only find it boot leg.
Days of Future past has issues, but it Retcon some of the worst Xmen movies out. So it gets a pass.
The only Good Wolverine Movie was Logan, X-Men Origins: Wolverine is a shit stain, and The Wolverine made no fucking sense. All it did was open plot holes the series didnāt need.
Logan is a glorious accident as they decide to make it a Western instead of a Super Hero movie
DeadPool only works as Godās Perfect Idiot leaked test footage and pretty much strong arm his way to running the film his way instead of How Fox wanted it done.
Reynolds also played the part of Deadpool as himself rather then adapt himself to the character. Which also worked with Robert Downey Jr. playing Stark as Himself.
You know how Apocalypse was disappointing, the same will happen for this movie. Expect a rushed ending where the Dark Phoenix IN ALL ITāS POWER is killed by a bullet or some shit.
My opinion on Logan, since I havenāt posted in this thread in forever: very VERY solid movie. Not a comic book movie doe. The movie was so good because of the low expectations coming in, being rated R and Wolverine name recognitionā¦ Iām rambling a bit but if the same movie was NOT under the Wolverine name, no one would give a shit and the movie would sink at the box office, even though itās a solid movie.
So in other words, itās very strong for a comic book movie and it would be a real average movie if it were about some guy and some kid who go on a killing spreeā¦ which the movie is about, expect with Wolverine and X-23 in it. Add in Picard, because heās good in any movie he plays to make it more theatrical aaaaand thatās it. Oh yeah thereās also some āmutantā who can sense other mutants, he will be in the movie for 10 minutes. Everyone else is humanā¦ besides the last scene with the kids that lasted 5 minutes. This movie is REALLY removed from mutants and superheroes. Fuckā¦ the more I write about this the more I realize this movie would have bombed pretty hard if it werenāt under the X-Men franchise, even though it has almost nothing to do with the X-Men franchise.
āHey you wanna go see a movie about Wolverine and X-23 going all out?ā
āFUCK YEAH!ā
VS
āHey you wanna go see a remake of the Professional?ā
āNahhhhā¦ā
Maybeā¦ this can be said about all moviesā¦ hmmā¦
(Yeah, Iāve already written off X-Men: Dark Phoenix, especially if Jennifer Lawrenceās arrogant ass is still involved.)
To be fair, unless it got changed post-Battleworld bullshit, then Tony Stark has been a recovered alcoholic who avoids drinking in the comics for literally decades. I donāt know if that still applies though given I havenāt kept up with comic books for over a decade.
Uhā¦no it isnāt. Alcoholism is, by its literal definition, based solely upon whether one abuses alcohol or not. Just because itās a party doesnāt mean that itās an excuse to get ragingly drunk.
Iām not even sure why you want him to be drunk more. What would that have actually added to any of the movies? And when would they have found the time to focus on it?
Finally, by your own words, given Robert Downey Jr. is a recovered (read: recovering) addict in real life, maybe heās just too uncomfortable playing someone who is more obviously an addict, even if itās a different type of drug. I mean, to get over the harder drug habit, Mr. Downey basically had to go and make himself addicted to coffee instead since recovery is a constant process.
Alcoholism is an addiction to alcohol. You can be sober rn and still be an alcoholic. Check your online Webster again please. Once you are an alcoholic, there is no turning back. Being drunk at a party (where such behavior is not uncommon in case you havenāt been to one in years) doesnāt turn anyone into an alcoholic lmao.
Until they learn to pace themselves and not make every X-Men/Mutant movie about a global or time-space catastrophic level event, theyāll keep fucking up. Fox (like WB) wants Marvel Studios money without carefully analyzing their formula. They keep making these movies like theyāre one note films with no real regard for explanations of continuity, they keep ignoring that these movies should be smaller scale and more character driven. Not just separate movies for one character here and there, but actual ensemble cast centric films that give them time to develop a connections between one another.
The party/hangout scene between the group in First Class before Sebastian Shaw attacks? More of that. The Xavierās School student moments peppered throughout the original X-Men trilogy? More of that.
Make the stakes smaller yet meaningful, like the X-Men tracking down a young mutant whoās powers involve him/her potentially destroying their neighborhood. Or a story about a group of mutant-hating extremists like the FoH (friends of humanity) committing domestic terrorism that the X-Men are trying stop before they kill a huge group of innocent people mutant or human alike.
Go smaller before getting bigger, not every X-Men film has to be a huge spectacle with some of their greatest enemies. They want to start a successful cinematic universe but are willing to needlessly use up every villain up until they run out of compelling material, like how dumb can they be?
I think people need to realize that the X-men stories just arenāt that good to begin withā¦ Yes, even Dark Phoenix and Days of Future Past.
The characters themselves are very compelling and deep, but the actual plots they find themselves in are some of the most convoluted and silly shit in comics.
Claremont to this day is the only writer that could take all that silly shit and make it work due to his understanding and focus on the X-men as characters.
Notice how the best X-films are the ones that scale back on all that world ending silliness and just focused on letting the characters be themselves.
Gotta disagree, X-men stories are that good. Thatās one of the reasons they made it big since the 90ās, and Marvel has been doing everything possible to make them lesser than they were. See the recent B.S. that is Avengers VS X-Men.
About the movies, well, what do these movie directors know about the comics, really?
the whole XMen premise allows for good storylines (outcasts trying to fit in, intolerance, self acceptance, etc). A revamped senator Kelly/Magneto storyline could work better than Dark Phoenix goes to space feat. cosplay mutants/characterizationsā¦
Moira/Nuir Island have also been excluded from movies. Same with Siniestro, Omega Red, etc.
Yeah, because we havenāt seen enough of that in the movie series.
Moira is there in some form. Dude, thereās only so much characters you can include in a limited number of movies. The actual problem of X3 is that it tried to include too many characters in the same movie without making them special (remember the characters of Angel, Psylocke, Juggernaut, the Morlocks?).
Sure theyāre taking their time to adapt each character, thatās better than just putting half a dozen in a bag and including them ASAP.
i concur. chris claremont, john byrne, warren ellis and fabian nicieza to name a few set the x-books on course for greatness.
with a melting pot of stories that had layers upon layers of themes and topics that were socially relevant at the time, it was groundbreaking and made for a compelling read.
since films/movies are a different beast altogether, it will be hit or miss as evidenced by the history of x-men related movies show.
Iām not talking of putting Omega Red with Siniestro and Magneto together rofl. But like a Siniestro movie could be a better direction. Main issue with Apoc movie was throwing some noobie mutants that canāt even control their powers into their biggest enemy. Now instead of letting the new cast to establish and develop you just throw them in space against the most powerful entity in the universeā¦ Very logical
Honestly, I get the feeling more being at stake in an X-Men story than I do in an Avengers story. Really, thereās no real reason that I should give a damn about a group of bland supervillains like HYDRA, because they always have stock goals that have been repeated (world domination), with agents I canāt take seriously, nor care about on any level.
Logan was a 5-star movie all the way. For Hugh Jackmanās last portrayal, he went out on top. Dafne Keen was fantastic also. Havenāt seen a breakout role for a child actor that good since the chick who played āHitgirlā in the first kickass movie.
As for the Dark Phoenix flick, iām guessing it wonāt be a proper adaptation but, a more āoriginalā story cooked up for the movie. Like X-Men 3 had. We wonāt be seeing the Shiāar empire, space battles, MāKrann Crystal or any of that other stuff.
As good as the X-Men movies have been, their āscopeā was always small. Youāll never see epic space battles, or fights on other planets, in a Fox X-Men movie. Theyāll always find a way to contain it on earth in minimal settings.