hit me up if your ever in Austin. Me and my friend have been hitting low tier battles for a while. Come get owned. :tup:
If your gonna let cammy be chosen then I think rogue should be on the roster as well.
the thing is,
cammy has no uber high low game just pressure and a low, low game…
rougue has square jump cross up dive kicks that can be comboed off of.
cammy has a nice super…
Rogue has speed up glitches and a command throw that seems to be better than giefs. (not to mention a really good cross up HP)
Cammy has her hooligan throw which is slow and is aaa’able even in low tier mvc2.
that’s why i don’t think rogue should be around, maybe i’m giving vegita-x too much credit but… she seems really good, but if alot of people think she should be in by all means say so, i mean it’s always good to have more rush down it’s just that i fear that she’s broken, i’m pretty sure i saw her in the top 10-15 somewhere.
wait a minute… ROGUE?
imo Vegita-x did so well with rogue because tron assist gives her added damage which makes her hits threatening enough to compete. dont get me wrong I love rogue and not tryin to discredit her at all, used her in XvSF and use her now and in no way consider her a bad character… shes one of the few chars that didnt lose like any of her XvSF strengths.
she has her tricks but so do shitloads of other characters in the mid tier. her assists still suck and i definitely dont think shes mcuh better than cammy if at all. with chars like Cammy Strider and Mega Man allowed i dont think rogue ban is justified at all. shes good but just doesnt belong in the same bracket as the other chars you listed. jsut my opinion
Wouldn’t Megaman be at a huge disadvantage witout assists like Sent, Doom, Storm and some others since they are like the best partners for him? Or it wouldn’t really matter since it’s just low tier vs low tier?
Speaking of which, I’ve been seeing a lot of low tier matches recently. At my school people have actually brought and played both the xbox and dreamcast versions. And while mostly watching, it looked like fun, but they didn’t use assists either. Which was weird cause they didn’t say anything about “no assists.” It eventually got boring again, but that was mostly because those players turned down the handicap and the time too, so matches took forever.
oh yeah if it were me id consider allowing spiral too. without top tier backup she wouldnt be as good, and banning her wouldnt relaly be mixing up anything… i mean how often is she seen anyways?
to me shes not really a char with inherent advantages over everyone, shes a char that was innovated to the point where she was competitive and had to work hard to get there instead of being born into that spot
No, not really.
Even before I started using characters like Sentinel and Doctor Doom, Mega Man was always a great stand alone character for me. As a matter of fact, he’s probably the key player on my team, because of the speed and distance of his attacks, and also the mind games you can play on your opponent with him and his Leaf Shield/Charged Buster.
Megaman can still use the Sabretooth projectile assist to dominate a lot of the other characters. Even Iceman assist would work.
And Spiral with Sabretooth assist would be even worse… if Spiral wasn’t banned.
Anyhow, this will never fly. The game would just be so slow and the new top tier would be brain dead easy to use. Iceman would definitely be top tier. Without Doom rocks/sentinel assist/triangle jumping characters, there’s no way to hurt him if he has a lead. Basically it would be, get a lead, DHC/counter/switch to iceman, then turtle for the rest of the match. The same plan can work with anakaris. Get a lead, then switch to Anakaris, then SJ and throw coffins all day.
I turn off the time when I play low tier matches
do you mean slow like cvs2?
or slow like sf3 : 3s?
it’s not the same game and i don’t think megaman could dominate with that strategy at all ,
first off ice man would take no chip damage from that…
and most people super jump out of traps like that, even if it’s with rock ball or with buster shots it’s not that good of a strategy.
this is a totally different game and it still has rushers.
it still has venom.
it still has dhalsim and anakaris.
and most likely rogue too.
juggernaut might be able to head crush through most of it.
Megaman isnt’ that good and you can of course call a assist to take the hits for you or just beam through it … the reason that didn’t work before is because of the trajectory of sent’s drones they was a chance that he might hit still hit you if you were close enough because they come from a higher angle, i’m assuming your talking about sabretooth as a sub for the megaman sent trap that only “kills” rush down doesn’t really kill keep away.
alot of what you are saying is theory fighter, and how much damage do coffins do anyways? wouldn’t you think it would even out if you had a shoto and uppercutted him out of the air?
this would be a much better game and a much DIFFERENT game, yea it’s slower but so is cvs2 and some people find that fun, and it’s not like you don’t have the fast paced high low games and characters that chip the crap out of you, but it’s much more balanced and you can use more characters and actually make a original team without having to sacrifice as much for it to be a contender.
Besides, “Low tier” mvc2 is still way faster than cvs2 and probably 3s aswell it’s just slower than original mvc2 but who cares?
also about your get a lead and run away plans, it doesn’t always work out that way,
you still have marrow who has a huge anti air , you still has ken and akuma.
and the fact you said there is no more tri jumping characters show you don’t know alot about mvc2 other than the top tiers.
Dhalsim has a true tri jump, and anakaris has a instant overhead. Omega red can use his vertical omega strike and cancel it to do a high low game of his own. Strider still has his teleport cross ups, Venom and spider man still have their web swings that can lead to high low games too.
Have you forgotten about guile? FLASHO keek would kill those air fire ball games fast.
Not really Megaman is okay and most people might consider their characters weaker without “Top tier assist gamma” but you have to remember that everyone else can’t use it either so it evens out.
Alot of people didn’t play 3s alot at first and gave up on it, this has alot of potential i think simply because of all the stuff you can do, if people startp laying it like a new game and not as Mvc2 “Lite” then itll probably be fun.
Try to find new stuff and try to be the best and you’ll probably have fun if someone else is doing the same
and also dont’ start to complain when one character shines up above the rest, 9/10 you can probably find a way around it. Some people give up on a low tier game like this because someone becomes “Dominant” but there will always be top tier characters and in with these rules closing the gap will be much more possible then it is against say… cable with… ryu, and even then it’s possible, just ask joe zaza he’s beaten good players with ryu, heck he’s taken matches away from soo mighty with wolvies so just try harder and don’t play this if you suck at mvc2 and fighting games in general beacuse it will probably be even harder to play because it’s : unexplored, alot of variation is possible, there’s few things that are that overpowering that once you learn it you cream 90% of the people don’t know about it.
Megaman would still dominate a lot of the characters except the god tiers in your “new” game. His strategy is fill the screen with crap. Yes you can beam him down, but who other than Iceman has a beam. He beats a lot of rushdown with this crap.
Basically the game would boil down to this.
Get a lead. Switch to Iceman. Turtle/runaway. If I had to pick a team it’d probably be Strider/Iceman/Cammy.
Again, since there are no rocks, no drones, no spiral… chipping him down is gonna be hard. Marrow’s bonerang might work, except it has to be well placed. Iceman was also rushdown bait except without storm/magneto in the game, then he doesn’t really have anything to worry about. Dhalsim has tri-jump, except he’s AA bait.
Sorry to disapoint you, but putting a ban list on certain characters wouldn’t necesarily make a better game. It’d definitely be a change of pace, but I think most people would agree that it’d suck. The game is slower than regular mvc2. It’d result in a ton of timeouts. Again it all comes down to Iceman. Without Cable/Magneto/storm/sentinel/cyke/tron/commando/rogue/ironman/warmachine/psylocke/doom… then you basically took out every one of Iceman’s counters.
I still dont think iceman is that good,
He is pretty one dimensional and even if he is “good” do you think ice man will really break the game the way the top 4 and 2nd tier did?
the fact of the matter is that you haven’t played it, so you don’t know.
until someone tries it no one will know, but i will say this 9/10 all the strongest tactics in the game have some way to counter them, Jin can still chip ice man, so can most physical attacks, and i’m almost certain that juggernaut should be able to head crush through a ice beam, but this is only basing it on the fact that he can head crush through a viper beam so i don’t really know for sure.]
I’m also pretty sure silver samurai can chip him pretty well aswell.
Capcom “tried” to balance the game, emphasis on TRIED , really the biggest mistakes where:
Not knowing about or testing out tiger kneed supers/special moves
8 way air dashing
they never thought we could do the slide method most likely so they probably thought we would never be able to tri jump as fast as we do, how else do you explain the rom being in the game?
LOL. Time off. What’s next. Playing at speed 1. Increasing damage to 4. Playing so you can only use 1 assist.
You guys keep on throwing out names like Joe Zaza and Mike Z and how people don’t understand how to use low tiers… but those guys are able to play against regular people with their characters. Instead of banning the top/mid tiers, why don’t you try to be like joe zaza or Mike Z and learn to play against the top tiers with your characters.
Just take out the four gods… That leaves still great game play and alot more options in team picking and still keeps it at attractive play not just basic air combos. I would enter the tourney as long as other people enter
Not exactly sure what you mean by broken. But so far I don’t think you mentioned any viable strategy against Iceman. There’s some characters that can chip iceman, but without Doom rocks/sentinel drones, there’s no way you can lock him down. You’re not gonna get as much damage in as Doom did and if Iceman has a powerful AAA, then any lockdown assist you tried to do is probably gonna get smacked away. Capcom created Doom/sentinel as anti iceman characters… a balance move that Capcom actually got right. Because you took em away doom/sentinel, you basically wrecked the balance that they created. Icebeam on ground vs juggernaut = dumb player.
As for your last statement… there’s no argument here. Capcom screwed up in part of the balance for some of the characters but they also got some stuff right. But banning the top tiers is just gonna create a new top tier in Iceman. Capcom created DOOM/Sentinel to balance against iceman players…that’s one of the things they did right. So… in effect… you’re unbalancing the game by taking them out. No matter who you take out, the game is still gonna be unbalanced. The best thing to do is just play it the way you want to play it. But have fun trying to convince everyone else to ban your 14 characters for their tournaments.
I admire that you’re trying to change the way marvel is played, but the truth is that you’re probably gonna have to pay tournament organizers money in order for them to follow your new set of rules. And most of the players that are at that are there aren’t gonna let somebody tell them which characters they cannot use since they believe the game is fine as it is.
“Regular”/Top Tier MvC2 is fun and all but 3 billion games later I realized that thinking outside the box can be exciting too.
let me tell you something it’s not impossible ot pin down ice man,
there’s still throws in the game,
there’s still morrigan and a bunch of characters that can rush down and trip him up.
as a matter of fact i do play my friends with gief and a bunch of low tiers aswell and i don’t do half bad in fact i beat some of my friends with a higher win ratio to loss ratio.
I actually came up with some interesting chun li things such as a rush down method that’s theoretically unblockable and used sent’s sweep + chun li’s gamma assist as a monster unblockable.
Alot of people thought haomaru would be top tier when cvs2 first came out, alot of people complained about guile when it first came out but the thing is you don’t always now.
True this isn’t a NEW game, but you don’t know how the checks and balances will come out especially since you said that it’s removing tri jumps in the game, which shows to me that you haven’t explored the low tiers extensively enough to know if ice man will dominate.
I don’t know eveyrthing there is to know about this game, I know that but i think the game will be pretty balanced with those 14 characters gone. in fact i really think rogue should be unbanned bringing it down to 13.
Capcom didn’t put in sent to balance ice man, if they even bothered to test him they may have come to the conclusion that beam cancels into rocket punch and comboes into hsf… again.
the game is already broken why not give it a shot i still say silver samurai is decent against ice man.
You can call a assist that will cover you and wild fang on ice man (not tested) with sabretooth and if your in the corner that’s a infinite that will lead to death (Yes low tiers have infinites too! but most of them are in the corner)
Wolverines are still around, and i’ve actually seen ALOT of zaza’s matches and if he can lock down cable, and lock down magneto you can believe that you can lock down iceman.
also cammy can do her killer bee super and she can probably keep up a good offense too.
give morrigan any assist and let her jump/air dash over you, you’ll be pinned and you’ll eat a high low mix up.
there’s still throws in the game, ice man isn’t invincible.
there’s still colossus aswell, he can tiger knee shoulder tackle and gain distance on ice man and if close enough pretty much hit him out of anything he does.
omega red/ sabretooth b can probably lock him down as well and chip him aswell even if it’s just omega strikes doing the chipping (again untested).
don’t forget strider is in the game and he can teleport behind ice man anytime he wants and potentially fuck him up too.
This game hasn’t been played so no one, not even me knows how it will turn out.
I think it’s worth a shot, but i guess that may be just me.
When he says friends he only means one. And my homeboy Julio can sure play with zangief real badass. And yeah lets give this a try, just like the announcer in MVS says, “get ready true believer,dont miss the excitement of a lifetime, witness the new tag team fighting,are u ready for a new challenger in…” Oh and Shakinghands, do u stay close to the UT campus,cuz im going in february and Jin might come too.
The reason low tier tournaments never work is pretty straightforward, they are all based around forcing people not to use the best tactics, and people by nature are going to find and use the best tactics, so in the end you’ll never win.
What you want to do to solve the problem is to create new methods of play that promote variety without being silly. Team Draft was a good idea, or you could not use a draft and have each team select 9 unique characters, however you have to play round robin to avoid the best team sweeping everyone.
no,
you can still use the best tactics,
you are still encouraged from using the best tactics.
we banned akuma in ST , wasn’t he in control of the best tactic, that didn’t stop it from being a good game.
it’s simply a new game,
that’s all, and there will be BEST tactics in this game too, it’s just removing characters that are proven to be the best in a game so large, no one would miss them.
lose 13
gain 43+
it’s like playing mvc2 bakc in the old days, trying to find the strongest team.
I came up with Venom A/ Shuma Variety combination for rush down and chippage, simply pin down and venom fang (kinda tricky to get down because if you finish the venom fang before shuma hits shuma will miss sometimes) but the block stun from it allows you to tri jump after wards or do another venom fang for chip.
of course ice man will seem hard to beat at first but in fact, it was Silver Samurai backed up by akuma expansion that took the cake yesterday when i played my friend, in fact i found it to be one of the most effective pinning assists and also beats out alot of non-invincible assists and keeps them in hit stun long enough for you to fry them with a raimeken.
If i was talking about using samurai with akuma assist backing him i’d sound like a scrub in any other thread but guess what this is a different game, so different we don’t even know what will end up dominating this game.
the first time people found stuff on this game it was basically all foreshadowed by the top tiers , that crap was just waiting to be found.
these are some casual matches me and my friend played with low tiers along with a preview of a new tutorial vid i’m planning called “Starting Points”
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/hjmatches/
they are really improvised.
but you might enjoy em.