I’m just wondering, I mean if you ban the Top and 2nd tier, would the game be any fun to play? Would anyone play it?
Why wouldn’t they?
I’d like to see what kinda character would win after the top assists are gone, along with the top middle tier.
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Sounds new and interesting, but I dont think it would work out. Itd be cool though. Maybe if they release a MvC3 that has online play, you can organize dat.
I think it’d be best not to explicitly “ban” top tiers, but rather to discourage them through a point system–make certain characters have certain point values which add up to some maximum number of points allowed for a team.
An easy point system could be that all teams must have no more than 9 points. “Top tier (maybe even high 2nd tier)” would cost 5 pts., mid would be 3 pts., and absolute bottom(zangief, hayato, servbot) would cost 1 pt.
This would make it possible for the awesome duos that we currently see in mvc2(mag/psy, sent/cap)… but with the crutch of servbot, zangief, etc. to discourage their use in a team.
The most balanced team would obviously have 3 mid tier characters.
For example, I think that this may be most advantageous to strider/doom players, due to the fact that strider by himself is 2nd tier but top tier with doom (who’s 2nd as well)… so technically one could have a fearsome strider oriented team and conceivably win.
This may not be perfect, but at least it curbs the use of excessively top tier oriented play without outright banning the use of every single top tier character.
Oh, and it may be difficult to determine where ALL the characters belong in the tiers, but variation should be allowed from place to place since everyone should know the characters that are definately top tier and should know the ones that are definately at the very bottom.
Agreed with IcecreamMan.
I think I’d probably prefer the “use once” system whereby you can use a character once in the tournament. If you lose with that team or win the 2 out of 3 match, you can’t use any of the characters on that team for the duration of the tournament. That encourages you to have at least four different teams, if you’re going to be using top tier.
a point that you guys are missing well at least one of you is, is that there’s no problem with having top tiers but i think it’s very agreeable that the gap between a new Top tier among the low tiers would be much smaller than that of the low tier vs. the top 4 we currently have.
It seems like a whole new game a very fun 1 at that, no tronne, psy, doom, capcom, top 4, and no established top middle tier.
I’m not sure if rogue is middle tier (she should be) but characters like dhalsim and other rush down character like anakaris that have instant overheads could still be part of the game but without over powering assists both keep away and rush down will be a bit more balanced as I said a whole new game, a game no one’s really playing and who knows it may be actually worth playing.
I’m not saying mvc2 with the top tiers isn’t fun, it is, but hell we aren’t going to see mvc3 in the next decade so why not expand the game we already have.
Perhaps.
I think it would be very interesting to see some other characters duke it out for once, besides the bread-and-butter Sentinel/Cable/Magneto teams you see all over the place. Mind you, those characters are effective, but it gets rather monotonous to see EVERYBODY picking those characters. But to go as far as ban the 2nd tiers…well, maybe, but that’s a LOT of characters you’re cropping out there. I suppose with top-tiers like Magneto and Sentinel gone, people would be looking for the next best thing to take their place.
Well, you know what they say: “Variety is the spice of life”. I think it would be fascinating to see what people would fall back on if their beloved top-tiers were no longer there. It all makes for a very interesting experience, and practically weeds out the real gamers from the generic ‘run-and-plaster-with-Viper-Beam’ players I’m seeing a lot of these days. It should prove to be pretty fun.
As for what characters would reign supreme when the top and 2nd tiers are gone, I’d say characters like Akuma and Captain Commando (I don’t REALLY consider him top-tier) would have a fair chance of topping everybody. Strider and Spiderman are pretty good too, but they need the right back-up to be really effective. It’s all a matter of strategy with what little you have left.
I think people would still like it if Storm/Sent/Magz/Cable were banned, but could still use Psy/Capcom/Tron/Doom. If those 4 assists were gone too, then I don’t really know. You wouldn’t have to worry about getting hit by those pesky assists, but then again you can’t use them either for chip and lockdown purposes.
Plus I still don’t think we’d be seeing teams like Silversam/Ryu/spiderman or Dan/Marrow/Amingo but more like Juggernaut or even Iceman based teams, and more power up glitches and Icebeam assists and stuff like that.
still it’s just the same watered down game then,
black heart locks too many people (jumping rh)out same problem with commando.
everyone can agree those assists are overpowered.
commando doesn’t have to go neccesarily but his assist has to be banned (it controls too much space, i’ve heard dasrik say that the reason he gets snapped in so often is because he adds too much to a team, if we leave the overpowered assists we’ll just keep seeing them over and over again assists should have trade offs and it seems like most of the other assists in the game are close enough together that it won’t be that big of a issue).
This is what i think a ban list should look like, and yea, it would be a whole new game that’s the point it’s not about making mini magneto / mini cable it’s about experimentation:
Ban List:
Blackheart
Cable
Captain Commando (at least his b assist)
Cyclops
Doctor Doom
Iron Man
Juggernaut (maybe not without glitching)
Magneto
Psylocke (at least her a assist)
Rogue(?)
Sentinal
Spiral
Storm
Tronne (at least her v assist)
and that leaves :
Warmachine
Anakaris
Dhalsim
Omega Red
Akuma
Ken
Cammy
Hulk
Silver Samurai
and the rest of course but these have been shown to be able to do good and would probably be good candidates to be some that would be used immediately since there is some info on them, but i think EVERYONE can agree that with the top and second tier banned EVERY character stands a chance, probably even roll! The gap between roll and mags compared to say Roll and Hulk is substantially smaller wouldn’t you say? Just like zaza beat down msps and team scrubs with wolvie, closing the gap with roll with the new “top tiers” can’t be that hard. And if roll stands a chance that means you can really use anyone you want.
i have 14 on my ban list, around 3 - 5 that dont’ neccesarily have to be banned:
56 - 14 = 42
if you ask me it has some potential to be a fun game but hey maybe i’m just alone on this.
You’d probably have to toss Mega Man on that list.
With Cable gone, people would be looking for the next best ‘one-button shot’ character to go for. And Mega Man is him.
Doom’s banned, but not Strider? Oh well I guess that’s because no one really plays strider with no Doom. 
Out of that new list, I’d probably have to learn Anakaris and Dhalsim, they’re tight and IMO underrated, but also hard to learn and I suck at using them right now. :sad:
thats some funny shit new era outlaw. Mega man would have to be banned> I could just imagine megaman with blackhearts aaa. that would suck, that is if blackheart would still have his aaa. If u would to use this system u would really differentiate the scrub players from the actual skilled players. No more cable. YAY!
Indeed it would.
From what I’ve seen, a LOT of players would be stranded with the loss of characters like Cable and Sentinel. That’s not to say that there aren’t some top-notch players who’d just up and say “Gone? So what? I’m still kicking everybody’s ass!”, because there are.
By the way, chill_effect, if by that response you meant Mega Man won’t stand a chance against Blackheart, you’re DEAD wrong. He eats Blackheart for breakfast, if you know how.
well that’s the thing the other assists seem pretty balanced
sure ryu’s aaa and kens aaa are really good but you can’t combo as easily off of it.
More infinites would be corner related since that’s where most of the low tiers have their infinites.
There would still be tri jumping, Venom, Morrigan, Spiderman, all of them have tri jumps.
Bh is 2nd tier so he’s out of the game.
Cyclops and IM too.
Anakaris would probably have to find a new assist to land his infinite but at the same time he doesn’t take damage all that well, if i’m not mistaken he and sim both take around 112% damage that’s 6% more than mags and storm.
I’m not sure if rogue is 2nd tier
I know Collosus is middle tier, and so is anak and OR but i really meant to say all the 2nd tier should be taken out.
That includes but prolly may be a few i’m forgetting:
Blackheart
Iron Man
Spiral
Rogue (?)
Doom
Cyclops
Psylocke (?)
and tha’ts all i think for the second tier.
Unless you count juggernaut (not glitched)
Just ban the top 4: Storm Magneto Cable and Sent
Trap Characters: Blackheart, Doom, Spiral
TOO easy Infinites: Ironman and Warmachine
Or to qualify you have to pick an all low tier team. But if you advance further to quarter and semi finals, you can pick whoever you want, and play to win. No one needs to be banned.
I put one of the local arcade machines on free play tonight to see how things would shake out after the top 4 were banned. You’ll basically see a power shift over to Doom, Blackheart, Iron Man, glitched Juggy, and Cammy, I think. If you get rid of them, you’re probably pretty well off, but then you’ll be seeing pretty copious abuse of AA assists (Psy-A…) and Tron-Y. I think just banning the top 4 + BH, Doom, IM, glitched Juggy, and Cammy would give you a pretty interesting tournament that’s not too unbalanced. But then again, I’m not sure that anybody would go to something like this because … why? 
itd be fun. like jin said not necesarilly cause itd make the game better, just because itd be fun to have something new.
i do think the big assists would have to go too tho. well maybe not psy, but doom b commando b and tron y. Like for example TRon-Y just kills almost everything when you remove the top tier chars. The better chars may be able to deal with her but its a much bigger deal when you play lower tiers
tronne would be banned
these assists and most ilkely the assist characters themselves would be banned too.
:
Tronne - V
Capcom - B
Psy - A
Cyclops - B
really i just say ban them in general cyclops is 2nd tier anyways so he’d be banned no matter what.
juggernaut can stay without glitch i think
in order for the game to be new you gotta take out:
top tier
2nd tier
the whore assists.
not just the top tier, cuz of course the 2nd tier will take over, they are the next best, in order for the game to be new you can’t have that, it should be basically middle - top middle tier and low tier that’s it.
Colossus, Omega Red, Hulk, Ice man, Silver Samurai, Juggernaut (no glitch, i’m pretty sure they did it in tournaments so it would probably work here) would problaby some of the better characters when you take all the others out.
Dhalsim and anakaris if they around would probably kick ass, but think of this no more cyclops b assist to set up anakaris and no sentinal for dhalsim which is what murakumo uses if i’m not mistaken.
Anti airs aren’t supposed to set up, they are supposed to knock away and most of the stuff that does set up probably isn’t invincible.
and without cable you can actually throw a fire ball.
So yea those would probably be the best, i think rogue should probably go because she has a really great command throw, her dive kick is really really good, it can even cross up which makes it more retarded, she has the best square jump game in the game thanks to her dive kick because the lack of speed is made up for by the fact that you can just easily be hit on one side then another.
She also has her speed up glitches like when she “teleports” to the other side, i’m starting to think she’s too close to 2nd tier to be left in even with tronne out.
you should go ahead and make up an offical ban list (characters and assists) and see if it catches on. I’m getting tired of watching MSP videos yawn
I really didn’t think i should go ahead and do it, but i’ll give you what i believe should be the official ban list:
BANNED
Magneto
Storm
Sentinal
Cable
Cyclops
Blackheart
Doom
Iron Man
Spiral
Psylocke
Tronne Bonne
Captain Commando
War Machine
NO LONGER BANNED
Rogue
I think cammy should stay, maybe i haven’t seen enough of her but she doesn’t seem like she’d dominate the rest of the cast for free at all.
but under consideration: Warmachine
and that’s the ban list.
I’d be glad to try and play this with anyone , anytime anywhere. Use different assist and experiment it is like a new game all over again. When trying to pick your team you’ll be like “Whoa” that’s how i am, i had no idea who to pick… who knows maybe it will catch on 
lol it only will if someone holds a tourney but shrug
edit: yea i think warmachine should go too, too much damage potential and now with alot of the options to keep him away gone he seems too good even if he’s supposedly high middle tier.
edit: rogue is removed from the list