I really doubt it. Emulation is specially cpu-bound.
I’ve got an AMD Turion 64 x2 @ 2.6 Ghz and 2Gb Ram
Nvidia G6000 integrated chip (or something like that)
It’s a Compaq F756NR Notebook, is that any good for Naomi emulation?
my pc can play CPS3 games at perfect speed, I dont know the exact specs of my computer but would it play Naomi games smoothly as well? is it even fair to compare the two?
I don’t know, Kabal. I wouldn’t discard the possibility.
It’s not fair to compare the two at all, scum gale 88.
Naomi is exponentially higher than CPS3, unfortunately I can’t field test for you guys, because I am on the high end. I could underclock, my cores but lets see if someone can test it for us :).
But just because you can run CPS3, does not guarentee you can run Naomi, Naomi is the equivilant of around Pentium 2 machine, whereas CPS3, I don’t think even was near a Pentium 1. The problem is, arcade hardware was made specifically for that task, so despite being under powered, they could produce amazing results, however Emulators have to emulate all those specific chips.
The Naomi chips are much higher clocked than than CPS3, so thats where I am basing my theory, Ill try it out later and post back.
Holy Shit! That was very informative. Plus I didn’t know that you can “underclock.” I’m looking forward to your results.
BTW: Thanks for the response, ShinMagus. KabaL, nice signature, LOL. And word up to Happ!
I’m running an amd X2 Dual core @2.3ghz.(non overclock) with a Nvidia 7600gt and I’m able to run NullDC 3rd strike and ikaruga with no speed issues. I’d like to test these new games out but I haven’t been able to get my hands on any so far.
If I’m able to find em I’ll let people know how they work on my setup.
EDIT: Got a Melty Blood GDROM working with nullDC. couldn’t get the controls to work though. I saw minimal slowdown overall through the intro and demoplay, 95% was the slowest it went down to.
Also got guilty gear XX to work, controls works as well, so the melty blood may just be bad. Again no slowdown seen.
EDIT:2 These were the Naomi GDROMs with the Naomi version of NullDC
i have a question. will lack of a graphics card cause the life bars of cvs2 to be the wrong colors. instead of being yellow its red or dark brown depending on the settings. im using the intel chipset.
Yes you can, you can lower than multiplier on the cpu, or the front side bus speed, and you can underclock a cpu. Normally its done by companies if their machine is to beafy for the task, if it saves power, but most of the time its not worth it heh.
Thats around the equivilant of a Pentium 4 based 3.2 ghz proccesor, or 2.8 if its dual core (Because most emulators aren’t optimized for dual cores, etc, but thats changing!), IE Pentium D. Or 1.8 ghz if its Conroe or higher based (Core2Duo based)
It shouldn’t, unless your card is artifacting or corrupting, your bars should be the same.
Is Naomi Power VR based? Because I don’t think any of these emulators really use our graphics cards at all. Unless the emulator is specifically coded to take advantage of the gpu, ie cuda, etc. So guys your graphics card is almost a mute point. Although Intel Integrated graphics really really, oh man x2 suck, so maybe it could bottleneck there.
I believe CPS-III emulators use our 2D only through DirectDraw, or etc. Don’t think it uses any 3d extensions.
Ps. To understand emulator, all tech info taken from www.system16.com
Capcom CPS-III
See the huge difference? Don’t think just because CPS-III has 25mhz procesor, its slow, heck its problably faster at 2D than Naomi is. Its just the architecture thats different, IE optimized for specific tasks. Dreamcast is closer to a normal computer than CPS-III, so we can guage that a bit better. It has a cpu, gpu, etc. And Naomi is based on that. The fact we can run NullDC and dreamcast games, are decent indicators if we can run Naomi. The problem lies on the actual emulation, and how accurate it is. Is you were to Emulate every single thing 100%, the system requirements would be exponentially higher than the original. On my own personal experience it normally takes 4-5x the amount of Flops or possibly clock speed if its similar enough to a computer, to emulate it.
There are some exceptions though, like PS2, does not run well in my PC, even if I push my cores close to 4 ghz, it won’t run. However thats because the emulator hasn’t been optimized, and isn’t ready, and the PS2, is only running at 333 mhz. Albeit it runs RISC processors, so different architecture again.
Anyhow not to drift on a tangent, I think, but have not fully tested, that if you have a Pentium 4 class, 3.2 ghz or higher, you should be able to run at full speed. At least once the emulators are optimized, the Core2Duos, or Quad’s should easily run the emulators. 1.6 ghz Pentium 4, is Willamete based, and that uses Rambus Ram, normally, which isn’t bad, but the memory could bottleneck.
Anyhow I presume 3.2 ghz Single Core (2.4 AMD64 Based), or 1.8 ghz Conroe or higher based core, with 2 gigs of ram, should run this fine. Ps. its 4-5x the arcade system requirements, + Whatever your OS needs to run well, IE Vista normally likes 1 gig of ram to itself to run on max settings. etc, etc, XP is around 512mbs. You can go lower, but I am playing it safe 
Let me know how low you guys can go, Ill start trying it out myself.
never mind i fixed the problem but now i have inconsistent frame rates. like 1 match would be at 60 fps then another would be at 50-44 fps. then it would go back to 60 fps
Uh for those of you on Vista and have non-functional inputs on the naomi emu there’s a fix now. However the site it’s on doesn’t work for some people for whatever reason so if anyone here who did grab it rehost it somewhere that would be cool.
Are there any advantages using NullDC Naomi over NullDC? Right now, because of the lack of the vista input fix (which is available now it seems) I’ve been using NullDC. Would it just be the availability of games?
Well people don’t forget, that there will be emulators that come out that use hardware acceleration. The initial specs to run CPS3 games perfectly where higher than when they ultimately figured out ways to do things faster.
So I think there is a good possibility if you have a decently specced computer you’ll eventually be able to play it.
^ ^ ^ That’s absolutely the truth, but I think what’s being suggested is that the eventual “shortcuts” created to improve the emulation’s efficiency will likely end up lightening the hardware requirements by a factor similar to that of the CPS3… ie. the CPS3 example makes for a best starting point in our speculation prediction estimation! :bgrin:
Here is another link to that plugin: http://daroms.com/public/naomi_input_update.rar
I think you just drag it over the existing plugin folder, haven’t had a chance to test it yet.
anyone know if slash or accent core have found their way to the interwebz?
cant seem to find them
slash was dumped but they need someone to donate ac for dumping
n00b question:
Since GGXX was a naomi GD rom, could a real dreamcast run it? Not a PC emu. Just a bare bones DC. I dont know patching the GD or something…
It’s called a PS2.