Just like any other thread on SRK that involves a horrific accident resulting in a child’s mutilation from an already mutilating process performed on them against their knowledge and will, it degrades into dudes talking about their own dicks.
You suggested that because circumcision can prevent those conditions it therefore can’t be judged evil or wrong.
I demonstrated that just because circumcision prevents those conditions it is no justification for doing it because those conditions can be treated at any age. Your argument that there are medical benefits to routine infant circumcision because it prevents you developing phimosis etc is absurd. I used an absurd example with verrucas and feet to highlight that fact. I really shouldn’t have to be explaining this… We can use a different example if you like - it’s akin to removing fingernails to prevent fungal infections. We can live without fingernails can’t we? Why not just lop em off before they potentially get infected… I was intentionally being absurd to highlight the absurdity of your own post and it’s unfortunate, though very telling, that you can’t seem to understand this.
As for this:
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"…accept the irreversible change that’s being made to their body."
Oh my god, I can’t stop laughing. Here’s what someone posted on this thread: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=foreskin+restoration**
So you seem to be mocking me for calling circumcision irreversible because there are various, lengthy, time consuming, painful, sometimes expensive, not always successful ways to stretch the small amount of skin remaining into something that sort of resembles the foreskin they’d still have were you to leave them the fuck alone when they were a baby?
Yea go on, laugh it up… you’ve clearly destroyed my argument with such insight.
Maybe so, but any way you try to spin it, circumcision is child mutilation in every sense of the term, and I’m just pretty relieved it’s the minority up here instead of the majority down in the States, because there are just some places nothing sharp should ever go near.
I agree, I didn’t get circumcised until I was like a toddler or preschool, but it was a medical reason. But the shit does seem tragic to do to a baby though. Fuck.
Yeah male circumcision is disgusting butchery, and you’d be surprised at the amount of botched ones. Feel sorry for those that have gotten it done (not that u had a choice), less pleasure for u.
While I don’t doubt this is the case for the majority it’s clearly not true of everyone which is exactly why procedures for restorations are being developed. Some people obviously dislike the fact they’ve been circumcised because there’s a demand for such things.
“…it’s akin to removing fingernails to prevent fungal infections.”
See, you’re getting worked-up about a piece of flesh with only the benefit of additional pleasure. It isn’t even because of not having foreskin, but rather it’s the underwear. You’re comparing it to fingernails. FINGERNAILS! Parts of your body that actually benefit a lot from. Parts of our body that we use in our everyday life being compared to a part that people only use for masturbating.
You’re complaining for people that don’t complain about. And even those who are complaining about it can restore it for FREE, both from pain and expenses. If you even bother to read, you’ll find that non-surgical (a.k.a. practically free) methods are preferred over surgical ones. It even functions the same way, if that’s what you’re after.
So, after having you read some stuff about the subject, I’m inclined to ask: How the hell is it morally wrong?
You problem with it is:
-It’s irrevertible. (but it’s actually not)
-It’s expensive. (but it’s actually not)
-It’s painful. (but it’s actually not)
-It’s time consuming… wait, are you for real?
"Circumcision of adults who grant personal informed consent for the surgical operation is not at issue and is unquestionably lawful."
This is a right. Let me say it again:
Circumcision is a right.
Some of us manage to get laid, you should try it sometime.
Lying to kids who aren’t old enough to understand or process the information to make their own decision what to believe isn’t brainwashing? You can raise a child without blatantly lying about things you can’t possibly know.
Also, what is a “right” to you? The laws cater to religious nonsense far too often and says it is okay for you to mutilate another’s body without consent, but that doesn’t mean you have a right to it anymore than a crack head has a right to stab you the street. Just makes you an asshole.
You’re actually retarded. You failed to understand what I wrote - I was saying restoration is time consuming and painful and can be expensive. Not circumcision. There are horror stories about stretching techniques, people wasting money on remedies that don’t work etc.
Anyway you’re not making any argument for how it’s morally right to circumcise children against their will you’re just writing nonsense so I’m done.
The bogus medical reasons for circumcision mostly revolve around the fact that it’s easier to clean. For instance decreased risk of urinary tract infection, which isn’t that high for men (most men that do get one are due to prostrate problems), is solved by taking a pill. You solve cleanliness problems by telling your kids to clean themselves.
An especially bogus one is the the decreased risk of HIV. Circumcision as a preventative measure for HIV does make sense in some cases, such as in South Africa. South Africa has an AIDS epidemic, including poor healthcare, poor education, and a top to bottom rape problem. Decreasing the risk of HIV spread without the consent of children makes sense there because you are actually saving lives. The true solution, of course, is to solve the three original problems, not continue circumcision indefinitely. If you are posting from a country such as the US of A then have absolutely no business having unprotected sex with someone diagnosed with AIDS, you already know it’s wrong and what you should be doing. Here circumcision is more likely to cause problems for people than solve them.
Again, anyone who defends circumcision in the US is just defensive about his altered dick.