Why wasn't the EX series ever popular?

[System_1]

Some random comments, too tired to quote and explain everything so far:

• EX3>EX1>>>>>>>EX2

• I still don’t understand the “floaty” jump thing either. A character like Sagat jumps low to the ground due to his size and weight, and Chun Li jumps very high due to her size and weight. Everything seems to fit character wise and feels fine.

• Random match vid of myself vs. Gen
  http://youtube.com/watch?v=3p3WTbbydRM

• 4 player EX3 is more addictive than crack

Good night :china:

[Stevie_White]

I never really played it too much, because I was a Soul Calibur kid at the time, but at the arcade I used to go to, EX 2 had a FIERCE following. Easily the most played machine in the building for a couple of months. So I don’t know if you could say it was NEVER popular… then again, there was also a fierce KI2 following at that arcade too, so who knows. I might live in bizarro world.

[ShinjiGohan]

Actually I really liked the first one, I saw a lot of potential in it. From what I can tell the mayority of the community received it lukewarm. Ex2 wasn’t the exciting new chapter that made everyone play it so when the 3rd out came out no one gave a crap.

EX2 had excels, which is akin to a-groove in CvS2 while keeping the same basic engine. Thats a pretty big change, similar to say the difference between A1 and A2.

EX3 took out excels and put in momentaries and tag. Again, whlie keeping the same basic engine they added more things to it.

I know what you are trying to do but I don’t think you can help the image of this game by denying “flaws” in the game. Was the jump floaty? It sure felt it.

If Gief, Darun and Sagats jump were so high then they wouldn’t be so screwed but to take damage when someone like Bison does his Psycho Cannon.

Also i was disappointed that SFEX3 did NOT even approach the PS2’s 3D power, it looked just like the damn PSOne titles. I guess because it was a launch game but still…bahh.

You can say that about most launch titles. Especially one that’s prequel came out literally 3 months eariler.

floatly jumps have to do with the height the characters jump. Even a big character like gief jumps clear over other people. this made even simple shit like cross-ups totally random against anyone that wasn’t sagat… if you were lucky. even with something like ken’s j.forward which has a good hit box. you’d jump miss your j.attack and land so far that it was sometimes possible for the other guys attack to miss you and whiff aswell. it was dumb.

EDIT: by clear over. I mean even the feet are 1/4+ character above the headof the person you we’re jumping over depending on who you were / were fighting against.

There is no way that you can play the game and honestly say that the jumps from Sagat, Gief and Darun were so high that they were on par with someone like Chun Li, or even someone heavier like C.Jack.

SF2 float, gief’s in particular comes from the slowness of the game and is more or less fixed running at t2. even then Gief (I mentioned him for a reason) doesn’t have to Jordan leap in any game.

yet despite ex already being fast on default, it does.

look at this:
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5273/ex2xu9.jpg

dude is above the meter and is still BELOW his apex.

and the sprites are larger than in ST as well, adding in camera zooming you get things like gief covering part of the lifebar when he jumps.

and the height of his jumps has to at least go high enough to jump over most moves. Otherwise you’d be complaining that gief can’t jump over a fireball.

[Kyosuke]

If Gief, Darun and Sagats jump were so high then they wouldn’t be so screwed but to take damage when someone like Bison does his Psycho Cannon

Or with Nanase’s “Yayoi Tou Kon Gi” in my “funny ending” Sagat can’t jump this and for this reason Sagat loses:

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Any other character like Ryu can do it, and Vulcano Rosso can’t jump well especially forward with attacks like this…

[EveryFlowerFlow]

you’re right about the zoom, but that means that if the camera’s were similar and ex2 was as close up as ST is, gief would appear to jump even higher :looney:

I did eventually resize ST so that the characters was equal as a ratio, but there is still the factor of the camera.

[System_1]

I always believed that it had more to do with bad timing.

The EX series debuted mid way through the Alpha series, and Capcom was still creating other games as well. This caused people to over look it, thinking it was just another street fighter game.

By the time EX3 came, out the Tekken series had already stole the crown.

I don’t think that has anything to do with it. When the FIRST 3D SF launched, many 2D fans wanted to check it out to see how a 3D SF would do.

From that point on it was SF:EX’s fault, since once most 2D fightfans got their hands on it and saw that it was so mediocre, they abandoned it. Had the SF:EX games been GOOD 3d SF offerings, they would have done better.

I kinda feel bad for the EX games being lousy, had arika done a decent job with them and been mildly successful, we might still have SF around in the form of the EX games.

[versus_addict]

People who don’t like the EX series…do you like Rival schools/Project Juastice?

[System_1]

People who don’t like the EX series…do you like Rival schools/Project Juastice?

Yes i thought rival schools and especially project justice, were far better 3D fighter titles with the “SF feel”, than the EX games were…

Unfortunitly my PS2 is one of those units that can’t play some PSOne games. Rival schools is one of those(along with jojo’s bizarre adventure sadly).

[Kyosuke]

Or in any case Fighting Layer, though this game only exist in Arcade and you can play with Blair and Allen…

[ShinjiGohan]

you’re right about the zoom, but that means that if the camera’s were similar and ex2 was as close up as ST is, gief would appear to jump even higher :looney:

I did eventually resize ST so that the characters was equal as a ratio, but there is still the factor of the camera.

And sagat would appear as though he’s getting his legs caught by the opponent’s torso when he jumps.

Though with the zoom, even when Sagat is just standing next to his opponent he’s nearly as tall as the lifebar and time clock.

[2D_is_Forever]

The game was never really popular at the arcade is my guess, I think I only see a machine for it once…Suprisingly the EX games were fun, super cancels all the way!

Edit: Plus the reviews for the game weren’t that good.

[ShinAkumax]

Cause it wasn’t 2D

Word up.

[glass]

i don’t know much about the EX engine, but last case i saw against it was the inconsistencies of the engine - there this was a higher order of randomness than stuff like Chun’s jab whiffing a crouching shoto during some frames in 3S. afaik this randomness turned players off, at least the old school ones that don’t like randomness getting in the way.

anyway, i’ve also always wondered why EX3 wasn’t regarded highly so i’ll be happy to read the first genuine attempt at an objective argument if anyone cares to make one.

[Kyosuke]

Word up.

Only the graphics of the EX games is 3D, but the mode of the gameplay is 2D…

[ShinAkumax]

Look at who I quoted.

[spudlyff8fan]

super cancels all the way!

Hell yeah! Shoyru Reppa into a Shinryu Ken ftw!

[Shibuya]

Ken super dragon punch had priority over alot of stuff lol!!! I loved all the ex games…actually i prefer it over alpha series…the cast of characters were awesome…the super moves were some of the best i seen in a fighting game!!! i was impressed by this game the first time i played it…yet the only bad thing i could say about SFEX3 is the stages kinda sucked…and the create a fighter move called galaxy was tough to pull off!!!

[caliagent_3]

A lot of people never really played the game and kinda wrote it off MAINLY because it’s 3d sf. They played for an hour or 2 and said, bleh this game sucks, when it actually resembles a lot of other SF games

[Shotokan_Symphony]

My big beef with the game? Every character just felt the same. I don’t know how to explain it, but when every character animates the same way when throwing a punch, being hit, or simply walking backward, it just…sapped a lot of the magic out of the overall experiences. I won’t lie, when I first played EX+@, it was FUN; super cancels, a combo tutorial, and Skullomania were huge selling points for me. The music was pretty awesome, too. By the time EX2 came around, though, it just felt like more of the same. That’s when all the other flaws in the following games began to stand out: shitty sound effects, boring backround stages, weaker music, the same animations, the loss of personality the first one had…it just added up, and I found that I could no longer care.
EX+@ is still boss, though.

[ShinjiGohan]

How many ways can you throw a punch or kick? There isn’t much you can do about that.

For the game feeling the same :-\ They kept the the same engine but added things to it. Like Excels in EX2. So if you play EX2 without excels (like EX1), then its like playing A2 without CCs then complain that it plays the same as A1. Same with EX3, except this time its with tag. Using tag eliminates some of the limitations of what just a single character can do, essentially its like TTT tags without all of the flaws.

Though for music its up to your tastes. I know plenty of people who love EX2 /EX2+'s music.