Why the hate for Dead or Alive?

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Look. By random play–hell, I’ve explained that more than enough, I’m starting to wonder if you read my posts?

Just because a game has random play, does not mean it is consistantly random, but it has the ability to be random at most times. Randomness in DOA may lose you health, but against a good player, NOT ROUNDS! If a player is always able to stay on top of things, then he can be consistently good.

DOA4 has the POTENTIAL of being random, this does not mean it will always be random. Normally, when you pit two good players against each other, they are on the same thinking level…neither will be random unless it’s mix-up-when-you’re-stunned time…other than that, you’ll have solid blocking and punshing; crushing; anticipated DH’s or ones on reaction (NOT random thrown out DH’s). TOP PLAYERS WILL NOT PLAY RANDOMLY, SCRUBS DO. Random play is mostly to the advantage of less skilled players, it gives them a chance…a GOOD thing.

But even in high-level play, things can get random. People do sometimes randomly counter. I’m saying the game has random elements and it does, I DON’T know why you are denying this and labeling it as a bad thing if you really like this element. I am NOT bashing DOA4, i’m telling you how it is, from a non-biased PoV.

You know what lead me to DOAC? DOA4 did. Do you know what game I was playing to satisfy myself until DOA4 was released? DOA3.2. Do you know what I said to my friend who said he wanted to play DOA3 instead of DOA4? “No!”. Do you know what occurred to me though, after hours upon hours of playing DOA4? That I like DOA3.2 MUCH better, that I enjoy DOA3.1 vids MUCH more. My respect from MASTER comes from those DOA3.1 vids I saw of him playing. Compare his DOA4 play with his DOA3.1 play, and if you can’t admit that he was much more superb in DOA3 than he was in DOA4, you are in denial.

You guys are really stubborn, really. You are really being fanboys here, be DOA fanboys, not DOA4 fanboys. You don’t truely love the game if you’re in denial about it’s nature.

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xdest>this thread

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Okay, what the hell is your argument then? If scrubs are not gettng Rounds on good players from Randomness. Scrubs are not getting matches. They’re not placing in tournaments. If this randomness is THAT minimal, it shouldn’t be that large a point to actually argue about. :sweat:

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:rofl: :wgrin: :rofl: :wgrin: :rofl:

Seriously, what is your argument. You made a statement that applies to every other fighting game… as if people dont ever throw out random attacks…

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Yeah. I’m reading this thread for the first time and I gotta agree with Xdest here.

The fact that the skilled players consistently get top placings in tournaments means that the game does employ skill and isn’t random.

If a game were truly random, then top placements in a game would be different every time, regardless of who was actually skilled.

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I had a feeling you’d say this. It wasn’t a big arguement at all, it was a small statement I made about DOA’s gameplay and I said that it’s one of the reasons why people prefer DOA3.1. What made this little comment so big, was probably just a misunderstanding; you probably argued against the fact not knowing entirely what I meant.

Either way, it has now been cleared up. And thank god XD I don’t like arguing with top players, once I’ve got you, PL AND VirtuaPai on me; I feel like I’m on my own with a bad disadvantage lol. Either way, I will be supporting DOA4 down here (with help of course)…it may not be my main game, and I may not even take it seriously much; but because I’m fan of the DOA series, I’ll still have some sort of love for the game…and I can only hope DOA5 is good; or I may just get fed up entirely.

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I like how people are still arguing about this like 5 years later.

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In other fighters, you can’t make a random comeback once you’re being punished by something guaranteed. In DOA4, nothing is guaranteed, therefor you never know when the tables might turn.

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In Doa, you cannot make a random comback once your being punished by something that is guaranteed. It is guaranteed because you cannot retaliate…My opponent holding, and I throw him, must not be guaranteed. My opponent does an attack that leaves him at -8, My 7 frame throw is not guaranteed. MY opponent whiffs an attack(leaving him with a disadvnatage over 15 frames), and I use either an attack or throw to punish him, That must not be guaranteed, MY Opponent is BT and he Stagger Shift, he is at a large disadvantage(over 20 frames), The use of a throw or an attack will not be guaranteed to connect…right?

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I’m ignoring the obvious things, like throws and juggles etc. Hell, I don’t think I’m gonna bother anymore though. I’ll just do what you do and act like I’m right and spam: :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol:

Xdest has already noticed what I was on about. You haven’t, and I’m not gonna start a debate with you. Many people have done so on DOAC, including Slide, and have owned you into your shell of denial and damage control. So I’m not gonna repeat their words. I’ll tell you that I’m not afraid to admit where I am wrong, not afraid at all…because, why stay ignorant about something when someone has offered to cure it for you?

But sorry, here’s one last thing, to give you a mirror image of your false beliefs and sophistry:

“In Doa, you cannot make a random comback once your being punished by something that is guaranteed.”

Now really? If I punish someone with a CH for example, are they not able to make a comeback through DH’ing my next attack? This is just one example, but I rest my case.

And for those who misunderstood what I meant by the random nature of DOA4, keep in mind that I never said randomness was dominant of match outcomes. Or read my other post on this page explaining myself.

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Most fighting games are random to a point. Everyone says that, and agrees to that. However none of these other games reward so HIGH at such and easy cost and in abundance, and have it available while they’re actually taking damage too wtf.

Usually that stuff is delegated by way of things such as super meter, custom combo gauges, guard meter, etc. Some type of limited number that can run out(in some way or another). The thigns have to be rebuilt back up again to be able to be used etc.

It creates solid play. Something that’s not a big strength of DOA4. Yes the game has some solid shit to it, just like Jello sometimes has fruit in the middle.

In addition to that, the execution demand being much much much much much much tougher. And has more command inputs.

Also, DOA4 tournaments have such a piss poor turnout. What qualifies as a DOA4 “major” resembles that of just a damn “gathering” for any other fighting game, and majors of it’s kind triple or quadruple in number in comparison by a long shot.

And to add to that, words of Perfect Legend himself, says that only roughly 3-5 ppl actually can play the game. So using his logic since it’s only those 3-5 ppl that can actually “play the game” of course they’re gonna be placing top every single time. It’s like the average SRK’er just beating on mall scrubs in SvC(lol, i picked that game on purpose in reference to doa4). It’s like winning the special olympics, with only 7 retards(no offense) in attendence.

That’s only because Aion is having trouble making his points.

This thread is beating a dead horse, spitting on it, throwing it down some steps, and slapping it’s owner.

Shit has been brought up over at DOAC numerous times, and the points that these random guys are bringing up is the same shit that got refuted easily over there.

Tired of doing it.

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DoA4 is like a 2D fighter with 3D visuals. Game doesn’t even have a legit sidestep, and it doesn’t help that damn near everything tracks to a certain degree.

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Thanks for the support Slide, I am having trouble being crystal clear, or maybe I expected some thought on the oppositions part and overestimated them.

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DOA4 has no fullscreen game whatsoever, and to a lesser extent midscreen too. In comparison to your usual run of the mill 2d fighter.

A projectile for one thing.

Anyway though, this thread is about to turn into that Yomi one over at DOAC, where shit is gonna get repeated over and over. caliagent and EXM both know what I’m talking about. I think i’ll just stop here.

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Please dont bother anymore, cause your ignorance is astounding. Its nice that you mention subject matter that had nothing to do with what you were posting just to remove the heat from your back side. Your point was refuted, Xdest owned you. It is best that you do move on from showing any more ignorance that you may posess.

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But sorry, here’s one last thing, to give you a mirror image of your false beliefs and sophistry:

“In Doa, you cannot make a random comback once your being punished by something that is guaranteed.”

Now really? If I punish someone with a CH for example, are they not able to make a comeback through DH’ing my next attack? This is just one example, but I rest my case.
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Is your next attack, the attack that was guaranteed? NO, so how in hell is this an example of escaping guaranteed damage. Why do you even bother, You clearly do not know what you are talking about. It is best that you do not argue. Leave this discussion to people who know what they are talking about. You sir have no clue.

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Wow, Carl, Chris… you guys really have fallen far haven’t you? :rofl:

You guys are worse than the common SRK trash, and that’s saying alot. I’ve lost what little respect I had left of your knowledge of fighting games in these last 2 pages. At least Xdest I can understand cause he’s never played another fighting game. Oh wells, delusions of the internet I suppose. Enjoy CGI and DoA4. :wink:

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VP, your words truely amaze me. I think you’re the only one here now that’s still deluded. Believe me I have an answer for you, but it’ll be better for you if you just read through that debate you had with INTERTAINMENT on DOAC (a debate which you were also losing btw), because I ain’t repeating anything. And this is my last post on the debate.

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Actually thanks to Vpai, by request, he changed my sn “INTERTAINMINT” to “subculture Slide”.

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:lol: I never knew.

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LMAO, Are you still speaking, I thought you was done. Yes please dont repeat anything, you probably wont articulate it correctly anyway. FYI, I wasnt losing the debate, with a thread with statements getting looped over and over again for 12 pages, I hardly see as a loss for anyone. BTW, I dont need an answer from you, because the statement was already answered. Are you realy done, or are you going to make another smart ass remark.

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Thanks EXM, I feel warm inside with those kind words. Thanks for talking about me infront of my face, instead of talking about me behind my back like you did last time. You realy have grown. LOL