Exactly, its like I tell people who complain about politicians doing favors for big companies then getting paid off later. It doesn’t matter they aren’t doing anything for society, those companies funded a campaign, and deserve something in return. The politician made these companies millions of dollars, of course they deserve monetary reward. Its called fairness.
I care because I just finished a paper for publication (In the Journal of Sports Economics) about the economics of E-Sports and the creation of a three sector organizational model for competitive gaming that I’ve been researching for the last 12 months of my life… But if it weren’t for that… I enjoy watching Starcraft and high level fighting game streams so… meh
They could call a guitar whatever they wanted, I wouldn’t care. If I liked playing the guitar that sure wouldn’t stop me from playing it. It also wouldn’t make me hate the people that called it that. Why not you ask? Because I really just don’t give a fuck.
Shit changes, not always the way I want but I dont let it bug me. I just go with the flow. Except for that skinny jean thing. That shits pretty fucked up.
It’s called bribery.
It is a load of horse shit, too. 
Then what we have here is a core difference in our beliefs.
I believe that your usefulness to society should affect how much society appreciates you.
The Fire Fighter shouldn’t have to walk around, asking for donations to keep his station running while pro athletes can be benched for the entire season and make 6 times as much, hell, the practice squad makes twice as much.
I think it(eSports) may get as big as maybe world series of poker. As far as it getting as big as the NFL, NASCAR, boxing, etc, I’m sorry but I don’t see a bunch of people replacing beers and monday night football with that Korean channel that shows Starcraft majority of the time.
As far as me caring about it, I entered in a few tournaments, went to a few gatherings and while it’s fun being in it, I’m usually pre occupied with drinking, smoking a cig, or talking to people and not about having my eyes glued to the tvs all day. But to each his own, while I’d watch a TT race, I wouldn’t go as far as watching those streams of games that I would rather be playing atm, just like majority of physical sports as well. And like I mentioned before, even as a spectator, watching games over real sports is very different.
Esports would be cooler if ppl competed in those rape simulators and really got the crowd hyped into with them battling and trying to out do each other.
Fire fighting is a public service just like teaching, if fire fighters got paid by the people they provided services to poor people’s houses would burn down because they couldn’t afford to pay, which coincidentally was how fire departments used to work in this country before someone decided that poor people had the rights to have their burning house put out too. Making a service public allows everyone access to it even/especially people who can’t afford to pay for it, but the trade off for the government taking control of these functions and the pay coming from tax dollars is that you can not longer set your own price for these services and get rich doing them.
- If your house is on fire in my city the fire department is required to show up whether you have money or not. (Can’t get rich)
- If you walk into a restaurant here with no money, they aren’t required to give you a damn thing, you only get food if you pay (Can get rich)
- If you are a child between 6-18 years of age in this city teachers are required to teach you if you show up to school whether you have money or not. (Can’t get rich)
- If you try to walk into a concert,sporting event or movie with no money to buy a ticket they won’t let you in. No money no movie (Can get rich)
Good intetnions don’t make you rich, receiving money from people does. If your job states that you CAN NOT refuse goods or services just because someone can’t pay for them then you will not make the same amount of money as someone who can negotiate pricing and has the option to refuse service if they aren’t paid what they want.
Firefighter have a way to make to make a lot more money that they do now, but if they chose that route you probably wouldn’t consider it as noble of a profession as you now.
BTW I remember meeting similar disagreement a few years ago on a thread where a fire deparment let a guy’s house burn down because he failed to pay them.
As off topic as I’ve gotten this is the exact reason I don’t think esports will work for fighting games, as much as I don’t understand it, you can pack stands with people who will pay to go to an even just to watch Starcraft. You can not and I do not forsee anytime in the near future being able to get even hundreds of people (non competitiors) to show up just to watch fighting games being played.
Guys. Remember when everyone used to play fighting games because it was fun. And anyone could play anyone for a quarter and the only thing that mattered was your skill. Remember how you played for fun and to beat everyone and didn’t care that there wasn’t money and fame in it like in basketball.
Entities like MLG and Triforce are parasites to this community that don’t care about it and only seek to make money off it. The fame and hype in fighting games is fake in the new generation.
and how would you implement the system? have salaries set by the state government? that’ll go over really well. worked really well for all those communist countries such as the soviet union… OH WAIT NO IT DIDNT!
again, athletes get paid a lot because they bring in more money than they make. simple as that. it has nothing to do with their “value” to society.
Rap simulator is what I meant to type.
Like parrap the rappa…but with rape.
The issue is if anyone’s any different. MLG and Evo are trying to do exactly the same thing, its only a turf fight.
I like your original point, Fighting games were the ultimate populist entertainment, the **only **thing that mattered was how good you were and if you could beat all the dudes coming up to the machine.
At some point in the mid-2000s it became about personalities and popularity, and more recently it’s been about packaging and selling product (Hi T-Shirt vendors!). The ‘poverty WWE’ bullshit is an extension of that. They’re trying to push the popularity of the product with ‘drama’.
The one thing that made me more okay with what an athlete gets paid is the fact that most of them only play between 5 and 10 years before their bodies give out and they can’t play anymore. So they’ve got to get while the gettin’s good or be broke in their later years (and some of them are STILL broke in their later years cuz they’re dumb.) My parents are both teachers and most teachers ARE underpaid considering the fact that they now have to step in a teach kids a lot of the stuff their parents SHOULD have taught them.There should be an incentive system in sports. You play like shit, you don’t get paid the max salary. You have a range that you could possibly make, a guaranteed minimum but also a cap and depending on your performance, that’s what you get. imo.
On the topic of esports, I don’t see why throwing in with esports has to spell the death of the community. So if MLG starts hosting SF4 tournies, then Frosty Faustings, and hell, even EVO might go away?
…Those two things have everything to do with each other.
capitalism isn’t based on what value you bring to society. if it did, then doctors would make billions because they save lives and improve the quality of lives. so would scientists as they bring increased understanding of the world around us. people like kim karadashian on the other hand, would make minimum wage.
no, capitalism determines the salaries of its employees based on how much money those employees will then make for them. a basketball player who can bring in billions of dollars for a sports franchise will earn millions of dollars himself. its simply a good investment. if someday somebody figured out a way to monetize teaching as a profession, teachers would also make millions of dollars.
edit: also note that in sports, its the top 1% making out with all the loot. yeah a “scrub” can still make minimum wage of 6 figures, but if you look at everyone who tried out for the football team and the small handful of people who were actually good enough to get into the NFL, you can see that its not a good profession for most. this is the same with the entertainment industry. its all top heavy.
You have some assumptions about what “value to society” means. I am challenging those assumptions.
If you pay someone more to chuck a fucking ball through a hoop than you pay someone to explore the moon, what does that say about what you value?
This money doesn’t just materialize out of nowhere. It has to come from people who are making decisions about what their money should be going to, and they make those decisions based on what they value. Collectively… these people are society.
I can see clearly that the Japs weren’t wrong in stereotyping us. I wanna see dude flexing in front of a crowd of moe school girls only to be ignored as they talk about cake and grab each others boobs.
Why is goodm0urning so fucking logical?