I just pulled out the points that I thought were most contentious to me.
Anyway I don’t think I can continue here due to all these ambiguous statements being thrown about. Like someone else said this just feels like a “ban Yun” thread to me and I don’t really know what to do about him.
Sabin I apologize as I didn’t mean you hated the game based on your char choices but rather your style of play being ripped down by capcom in AE. Which imo is a good personal reason to hate a game.
AFTER it was determined by the players that the twins were top tier. Before AE came out, they were hyping how “balanced” it was going to be. Every time they fuck up, they do some thinly-veiled damage control and say, “No, we meant to do that.” I can’t believe it actually works.
lol this thread. I’m done with it.
All I know is in Super, 30/35 characters felt weak and half of those unpolished (the new Ultras…) and the rest were quite good.
And AE, 30/39 characters are more polished, 5 more are still quite good with minor tweaks in buff and nerfs; and 4 additional characters that still with a six month lead in arcade release, still needs more exploration.
If anybody took this thread seriously enough to plan tournaments using regular Super console versions, have fun playing crappier versions of your main character unless you play Guile, Honda, Chun-Li, Balrog, and Feilong
no it’s in $$$$$$$$$
Verserius, do you really consider that a breakdown? You think that was objective?
First off, i don’t use yun.
A 3 frame jab is not invincible, it’s just fast. Over a third (maybe half) of the cast has a three frame light move, lol. Even sim has a three frame attack.
Yun has no 290 damage bnb that starts off a jab after divekick. Imo, starting with cr.MP after the dk is not really bnb because it’s not usable (or safe) in many cases due to it’s 5 frame startup. Yun’s best hit confirm bnb does 250ish to most of the cast and it is not safe on block -> meaning if you drop your link you are getting punished badly. This is still a lot of damage but not 270ish like rufus who is also safe after gt and in perfect position to follow up even after a missed link.
Think of EX lunge as a blank roll. You can hit it out of the air very easily. Just mash jab if you think its coming. Is blank roll overpowered? +1 is good on EX but it means that if he uses the EX lunge, he cannot go into genei jin in the follow up etc… 17 frames is pretty slow in this game considering he is glowing during this period. If yun can get an EX lunge off, he gets a mix up. Considering this character has no footsies i wouldn’t call it unfair.
I think Yun is a strong character, but overpowered? This thread is just people being lazy and not figuring things out to fight against him. How many of the posters on this thread were playing a lot in the arcade? After three days people are already saying yun is the best in the game?
How can anyone say what the balance is going to be in this game? Especially at this point. The tiers in sf4 changed quite a bit once people had training mode. Why would anyone want to go back to super already? Maybe if you played an overpowered character in “balanced super” you might want to go back, lol.
Going to make a bold attempt to end the dispute of this thread. The tourny standard rules should be the following:
NO ITEMS.
BISONS ONLY.
**FINAL DESTINATION. **
lawl ^
Having Daigo shit all over everyone doesn’t say anything about character balance. Its Daigo. Daigo and Mago are arguably 2 of the top 5 SF4 players in the world. If you predicted the two of them placing 1st and 2nd at Revelations no one would have called you bold for saying that.
Daigo is broken.
This topic should be closed because it doesn’t add anything except another topic for people to argue AE vs Super. I mean come on Azrael I expected better. If you don’t have an opinion on AE yet and you think things can change in time, why in the world would you make this ridiculous topic even suggesting that we go back to console Super? I think you should’ve thought a little before making this topic because right now, it’s a pointless waste of time and I doubt anyone in the US is even going to do what you’re suggesting.
Although I must say he made the Yun vs Ryu matchup look like 9-1. Poor Laugh, I was really rooting for him, extremely solid game.
We don’t take kindly to suggestions around here, OP, you ca ca face.
Looking at the results so far from CEO and Revelation, the first major American tournaments since AE’s release, I think the complaints are going to be proven invalid.
In CEO’s top 16 AE singles tourney, there are 3 Yangs, one Yun, and no Feis. Additionally, characters that people said were made useless by AE’s balancing, like Rose, Dhalsim, and Honda, are still in the top 16.
In Revelation, top 8 has 2 Yuns (one of which is Daigo), one Fei (Mago), and one Yang.
I really think that people are overreacting. The game is not broken. At all.
I really think people overreacts about AE, I mean look at ReveLAtions (Note: it has not finished)
Winners Bracket:
Hsien Chang (Yun) vs. Infiltration (Akuma)
Clakey D (Ibuki) vs. MCZ|Daigo Umehara (Yun)
Losers Bracket:
MCZ|Mago (Fei Long, Sagat) vs. WolfKrone (C. Viper)
Latif (C. Viper)
Just 2 Yuns (and 1 of them being Daigo) and 1 Fei (Mago), we even see an Ibuki, and people does not have a 100% knowledge of the Yun matchup, so really is not that big of a deal
Also, top 16 at CEO, only one Yun (Marn). Three Yangs (though PR Rog only uses him as a secondary, so I guess 2 and a half), and no Feis.
lol @ the people saying u cant react to ex lunge with your ultra, daigo got punished twice. Stop the QQ learn to yomi.
You cant really use CEO or Revelations as evidence of balance.Its only been 4 days since console release so most people would be sticking to their mains instead of learning a new character.
I’m skeptical of the arcade environment as a referendum on balance. Remember that arcades are pay to play, which would naturally lead people to pick up mostly low execution-high yield characters. There’s no training in arcade. The longer you win the longer you play, period. I mean prove me wrong, but this is NOT the environment for experimentation.
You can’t say the game is unbalanced when the majority of the community can’t even bother to pick any character other than a select few they read about on the forums.
But all of this is a moot point because you KNOW that you will not see the original Super being played at ANY tournament this year and probably not ever. And it’d not because the top competitors are secret masochists.
A lot of the people attending live in places that have had AE in arcades, so it’s not like they haven’t had a chance to learn a new character.
Also, the fact that these people can still be competitive with their mains in a game that people think that no character has a shot to win tournaments other than Yun, really is evidence that the game isn’t nearly as broken as people are suggesting it is.
Where did this come from? My point was that being +1 and having a 3 frame jab is good. i didn’t say jab was invincible???
okay I’ll concede that point, but it’s not like it isn’t possible, especially if you are whiff punishing with the divekick.
I never said it was overpowered, my point was that you weren’t a moron for not dping it every single time like Laswagga was implying.
The few amount of Yun and Yangs in these tournaments is not a valid argument. Most of people didn’t have enough experience with the new characters to drop their old ones, with which they have years of knowledge. Also, as was mentioned before, there’s a lot more variety in the beginning and as tier solidify we tend to see the same characters over and over again (which happened in super and will happen forever until the end of all fighting games).