I agree with what you said but when people are too stupid or too lazy to listen for advice and to learn new stuff then it’s really hard to get a scene going. That’s my situation where I live.
Oh, I play it at times, but so far nobody has come by to face me even on crowded days!!
The majority game there is 3s and XI, whats funny is that I see people play SvC more than NGBC:wow:
hmm.
- the most important factor is the limited distribution of the new games in america. sure, FFA gets most everything, some arcade in houston gets new games, and i guess CF in NYC gets some new stuff, but that’s it
if only 3 arcades in the country have the game in question, there’s no way a real scene for it is ever gonna develop. ps2 ports come out like 6 months after the game has been out already, and for the most part you have to have a modded ps2 to even get that kind of access to it. these games are dead in america before they even come out
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almost every top player i know just goes where the comp is. half of us hate 3s (or cvs2, or st, or whatever), but we at least dabble in it just because it’s there and we know there’s going to be quality people to play. from a serious, tourney-going standpoint, there isn’t much point in playing these new dead-on-arrival games. i mean, i guess i could learn like melty blood or something, but what’s the point if i’m never gonna get to play it with anybody?
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most of these new games are trash. kofxi and tenka are pretty fun, but other than that you’ve pretty much run the gamut of good new games. ngbc is excruciatingly boring (and is dead in japan), cfj is excruciatingly boring (and dead in japan), hokuto is amazingly broken (and recently going through a kind of revival in japan? go figure), melty blood just feels like a stripped-down ggxx, etc etc
also of note, the two “good” new games, tenka and kofxi, are also pretty much dead in japan. everybody has gone back to either their previous specialty game or to umm… hokuto
I went back to HnK for some reason, especially since I love using Mr. Heart and Shin!
Even Japan goes through a dead 2d fighter phase!
Arcades are dead in the US because when joysticks/buttons get broken the manager(s) don’t care and the players stop coming, and the arcade therefore closes and turns into like a Duane Reade, Subway, etc.
Another factor is workload, it is a serious issue in the US that kids these days are over-scheduled and “have no life.” While the others play WoW/D2/etc and “have no life.”
I remember when I was in Elementary and Junior High, my friends and I would play handball after school and then go play Street Fighter 2, and then Alpha 3, and so on as new games came out. There were arcades on every block. In addition, most pizza places and most laundromats had arcades as well. So there was always competition. If a joystick or button broke, the manager would open up and fix it [in arcades, in other places manager doesn’t have key].
Nowadays, everyone is always busy and there are no arcades.
Also, this Capcom/Snk bs needs to stop. Same arguing on every forum. A good game requires knowledge of the game, so in theory, someone who has never played your game should have no knowledge of tiers or strategies, and therefore stand no chance.
I, myself, choose games that I like and I give every game a fresh chance. I play MvC2 because I can’t stand slow games and playing Magneto/Storm is fun for me, not because I may be a Capcom fanboy; and to be more accurate, MvC2 is a Marvel style game, NOT a Capcom style fighter. I play 3s because I like parrying and the aesthetics of the game. XI made kof more fun because graphics do matter and DC-ing is fun, but it got boring because every team is KGO, although I don’t get bored of it, like Magneto never gets boring.
Also, I don’t think that if there is a pro that decided to start a new game, then everyone else would too. Most people I know of don’t care. The usual thought process is something like:
- I’m bored
- What to do
- If play arcades, then what’s closest and what cost
Like in the WWE commercial, “If you build it, they will come.”
Edit: Spelling, typed to fast 
i been talking to some of my friends who are firmly in the “casual” playing area and whenever i try to ask them about playing some (read that as “ANY”) fighters, they deny me outright for “knowing the game” in advance and saying fighters are now “too complicated” and then they play some Tiger Woods on the 360. Suffice to say I haven’t had a human opponent in over a year. :sad:
i feel like new fighting game players only want either DoA (Bewbs), Soul Calibur (Mashing), or Mortal Kombat (WTF?) -_-
For me if the person is supercasual meaning they want to button mash, I stay away from them like the plague-because I am a superhardcore gamer.
i mean the majority of all players currently would rather play games with immediate rewards rather than spend time with steep learning curves which is a prime feature of 2D fighters
Yeah and I don’t spend a lot of time with those types. I used to do that and it drove me insane, as being a classroom teacher I stopped with this mentality-
“Why teach people that don’t want to be taught?”
You can’t give someone motivation or drive…
Forgive the Devil’s advocate stance, but I think this is just as symptomatic of a problem with fighting games as it is with the fan base. The beauty of Street Fighter II, and one of the biggest keys to its amazing popularity, was that it could be enjoyed on many levels. It was just as fun for beginners as it was for more advanced players. It was deep, but it didn’t confront new players with a steep learning curve. It was easy for the games to lure in new fans and draw them deeper and deeper into the gameplay.
Over the years, the trend has been for fighting games to add on more and more complexities right from square one. It’s much harder for a new person to get initiated into recent 2D fighters than it was in the early 90s. This is a big reason why fighting (or, at least 2D fighting) is pretty much a hardcore-only genre these days. The games are pretty inaccessible for people who are looking for something to pick up and play.
Fixed…
Jae Hoon is right about NGBC. It died as soon as KOFXI came out.
You play in NorCal I assume. You being a top player, u shouldnt have any problems trying to find comp anywhere ( like valle calling some friends and meeting him in his pad playing whatever they feel at the moment ).
I know theres very few people that plays KOF XI, but when someone asks a random good player about what they think of the game, most of the time they say its a good game … still they dont play it though ( for many reasons already posted by various members in this thread ).
Every arcade that has KOF XI has a decent amount of players willing to play that game. Here in SoCal I know 5 : 2 of them being asian arcades, with decent comp but horrible button layout and sticks. 1 is a mexican ghetto one, dirty and trashy, not a good place for anyone besides ghetto people. 1 is also ghetto but of black people, shitty sticks and horrible button layout. And theres the one I play in Cal Poly Pomonas gameroom, awesome atmosphere, clean, great sticks, AC … a dream of an arcade, shame it doesnt open on weekends ( obviously since its in a college ). All of em have their regulars at KOF XI.
I bet if more arcades have the game, more people would be willing to play it.
Btwm why do you say that KOF XI is pretty much dead ?
Alex, Buk and Justin have made their POVs as well as many people, and they all seem to come to the same conclusion ( me included ). That they do want to play new fighting games, but since there arent any new games out there ( lack of availability ), they wont do it.
Bottomline is that, if there arent any new games at the very few arcades the US has left, the chances of starting a community for em its very low. Modded ps2s, buying imports, having swap magics are not enough. People is still playing GGXX/ and that game has a community, because when GGXX ( the first one ) arrived in the US … all the arcades had it. Thats what started the scene, and even after the “arcade scene died” … the players didnt and continue playing it in their home consoles among them ( and of course in the few arcades that managed to have the game ). KOF XI just came out at the wrong time here in the US. If it would have been released like 3 or 4 years ago … I wonder how many people would hace checked it at their local arcade and start creating interest on it.
CF in NYC doesn’t get shit. The newest game there is NGBC and it’s 1,000% dead. CF in particular should just be put out of its misery.
The arcade to go to TGA :P.
Also you have to realize that society as a whole has just completely and utterly changed. Interaction with one another has shifted from one enivornment to another. We went from having these huge cell phones, phonebooks, and business cards to myspace, skype, youtube, and www.yourownwebsite.com.
And arcades were NOT all about fighting games, which is this mindset so many of you have on here. There were always these family centers that had fighting games as the newest fad. Thats why every arcade left has DDR, or a driving game, because it still brings people in. Fighting games don’t because here in the US the environment has completely transitioned to your own home.
And really at this point play what you want with who you CAN instead of who you haven’t yet. You just have to accept the fact the US is too wide spread and we’re too few in numbers to really establish anything outside of us being a simple, leftover cult following.
;p
There’s really no good “new games” that come out so you resort to playing the old ones where theres more comp anyways. GG I think had a good run towards the end of reload the game was stale, and then slash came out and boy does that game suck. Hopefully AC will be like awhole new game.
If new games that come out dont suck people will play D:
I think GG Slash doesn’t get play in the U.S. anymore because popular characters got nerfed badly!
I guess the american crowd is really picky huh ?
I have trouble enough getting my friends to play ANY fighters let alone 2D ones. I can occasionally get someone on a drunken nostalgia trip down for a few rounds of HSF, but that’s about it -
Simply put, for a lot of people, games are primarily a social activity, and if the gamin universe were a high school, fighters would be the creepy kid in the corner of the cafeteria. It’s tough to get someone to put down Madden and pick up a 2D fighter unless they are really into it -
Have you EVER tried to explain guilty gear to someone who doesn’t have an extensive knowledge of fighting game terminology? It’s got a HUGE learning curve, and that’s not something most people are going to donate a lot of time to when the social rewards are a minimum. And if recreation is your primary purpose, you’re going to pick up something that’s easy for you to learn…
GG is really not newb-friendly. Imagine trying to introduce someone who’d been in a coma ever since ST to MvC2. I have a friend who likes Tekken and casually plays 3S, and he was watching me play #R one day and it just went right over his head.
Then you factor in that GG doesn’t have any the extras that would appeal to the average non-hardcore gamer, things like create-a-character or a story-adventure mode (for the most part). GG really only appeals to the niche market - us. Like it or not, we are the minority. If we weren’t, arcades wouldn’t be dead.
Even for the niche market - even if you wanted to get into GG, where would you play it? Do you have an arcade nearby with a working cab and competition? I’d bet no. So you’re gonna have to do this by console. Do you have peeps nearby who are also into GG and gonna give you comp? Probably not. And then, do you really want to drop $50 on Slash when you know it’s gonna be as useful as an AOL CD once AC comes out?
I don’t think people in America are turning away from GG because characters got nerfed or whatever, but simply because GG has a lot going against it. Which is sad, if GG had hit the scene a few years earlier it could have been really big.
and so KOF XI.
Both have great gameplay, great graphics.
I remember not a long time ago when some capcom players dissed SNK for having a game such as KOF with lame pixelated graphics. Now if you put a KOF XI machine aside a CVS2 … mmhh :looney: