Why Fighting Games Are Bad For Gaming [Supposedly]

http://theknightsofgaming.com/2012/12/16/why-fighting-games-are-bad-for-gaming/

This article was recently posted up and has gotten a little bit of notoriety for supposedly calling out the bullshit that the fighting game community is ‘known’ for. I’m an 0’9er in the sense that I only started playing fighting games with SF4, but I was watching and incredibly fascinated with the scene before then. Through my four or five years of watching this scene grow and prosper, I have seemingly missed most of the problems that this dude brings up.

First off is the misogyny, which is existent in only the loosest interpretation of the word. The thing with this ‘boy clubz r bad’ mentality is that it is less about the masculinity and more about the fact that insulting each other and having a joke at each others expense is normal, which doesn’t bode well for a lot of girls. My ex-girlfriend, for example, would constantly make fun of me while we played (jokingly insulting my masculinity) and I would insult her back, gender related jokes included. She didn’t take this harshly and understood that it was part of the shit talking repertoire and we continued on happily playing our games.

What I have noticed, though, is that our community that seemingly shares the same mindset, comes with a lot of outside flak. We get called misogynist, racist, insecure and insulting to name just a few, all because we shit talk and get hyped about things that are going on. Sure, you have a few people that go a bit far (people that are relentless with their harassment and race) but for the most part, it’s just directionless shit talking to make it a bit more exciting. Does that make it a boys club? No, it makes it a ‘like having fun’ club.

The second thing is the inclusion of the common point that we seemingly aren’t inclusive for new players, which I personally think is just plain wrong. When I was just learning how to play fighting games, I asked many people in the scene for help and didn’t get called names of any nature or excluded purely because of my queries. What I did get a bit of flak for, however, was constantly going WAH THESE GAMES ARE SHIT I CAN’T DO ANYTHING WHY IS THIS GAME SO FUCKING CHEAP RRRGH which quickly got remedied by people (rightfully) telling me to settle down and practice properly, instead of getting frustrated at my losses every time.

The funniest thing about his point, however, is that he used the notorious ‘real nigga’ video as a basis for this point. I watched the videos where he was playing and he put up quite a good fight, but the shit talking wasn’t nearly as extreme as I would have expected. There were insults thrown in there, sure, but ultimately he definitely had thin skin to start crying and making excuses for his reaction. How many times, honestly, can you say that you’ve seen a dude break down and cry in an arcade? I’ve seen people cry due to lost games maybe once, and that was usually out of frustration coupled with LARGE sums of money on the line.

What this all boils down to, however, is this weird view that people are getting of our community. I know a lot of mainstays want this to remain a niche and hidden club, but how do you feel about the negative view that we get just by playing this genre? How do you feel about the way that people assume that we are all pseudo nazi, femme bashing rapists that hate fun and new people? Personally, I find it sad that people are missing out on such a rewarding set of games strictly because of a few bad apples that (conveniently) get publicized and paraded in front of everybody, but I’m more interested in hearing how you think the scene is portrayed to the mainstream audience.

Stop giving the site hits. it’s sensationalism writing.

“The Knights of Gaming”

hahaha

a few people being pricks = the entire FGC.

Sweet.

Everyone reacting to this is too easily offended.

Regardless, he has since apologized for whatever it was he did

The better question is, why is it that we give off this negative impression.

I think that whole Aris incident a while ago exposed the FGC for what it really is and people in it either just won’t admit it or take trollish “pride” in it because they’re idiots from 4chan. It wasn’t just a “few people being pricks”, it blew the lid open on the fact that racism and misogyny run rampant in it. Prejudicial humor gets passed around a lot in the FGC, it’s tolerated to the point where, when an actual bigoted retard shows his ugly bearded face, no one at all in the FGC gives it a second thought because they’re so used to hearing it disseminated throughout their forum posts and stream chats that it’s become normal.

You either let all the racism and misogyny slide, or you put up with none of it. If you do the former then don’t expect anything other than being scorned by outsiders. There’s no middle ground here, it should be unacceptable in any form. But it isn’t and there are a ton of dipshits in the community. I don’t blame the writer of this article for seeing it that way.

What gets people talking more?

2 $10K scholarships generated by EVO or the white guy crying about his money match and saying real nigga?

That isn’t the fighting game community in a nutshell, though. He wasn’t shit talking during a game, he wasn’t making fun of the other person while he was playing them and it wasn’t playful banter, it was just awkward neckbeard humor. That is an individual (a well known one, I concede) doing asinine shit, but that isn’t indicative of the majority of players in the community. When I’m playing somebody and casually making banter, if I notice they’re uncomfortable, I stop, as do many other people in the scene.

I don’t agree with this. The fighting game community was getting judged as a whole by the actions of a few.

The second one… clearly. Just like if a soldier saves some random kid in a market’s life overseas you don’t hear about it, but one civilian casualty and it’s all over the news in every country.

Humor me for a moment. I’m going to use an anecdote that may seem a little silly.

http://i.imgur.com/wYrSx.jpg

Let’s say I posted this image in any given OTT around this forum and asked people for their honest opinion. What do you think most of the replies would be? I think it’s safe to say that they would be something along the lines of “hurr i’d taek da secund one acus that bich wouldent b abl 2 talk and i culd fuck her pussy all dey”

I’m not using this as an example of rampant misogyny in the community, but instead I’m trying to demonstrate that we’re so used to seeing bigoted “jokes” in this community that if an actual misogynist dickhead were to show up they wouldn’t think twice about his opinions, they’d let him freely disparage women to his heart’s content and lots of people would even jokingly “encourage” it, which engenders more misogyny. I don’t think he’s wrong that this community nurtures bigotry.

Aside from all the bullshit mentioned, the biggest problem with fighting games (and I guess all console games) is that there is no money. What I mean by that is, there aren’t many sponsors and money like we see in computer games.PC games have sponsorship money coming from advertisements from all sorts of PC products. Console has…none.

check out this old thread:

Acting like “misogyny and racism” is either “rampant” or exclusive to the FGC is moronic. Do not misinterpret me as dismissing it but FGC is a sample of the population so anything is just small scale reflection of our society. They didn’t learn their behavior from the community or the games, it came with them.

I think the biggest mistake anyone can make is generalizing something as broad as the FGC. You can speak for one section of the community, but not the community as a whole. I’ve had resoundingly positive experiences, and a rare few negative ones, with different groups of players in the past. Having frequented other sub - cultures (heavy metal, hip - hop, wargaming and magic cards etc.) I’ve found more down to earth people in the FGC than any of the others I mentioned, except perhaps the heavy metal one but most of those guys were drunk or smoking reefer. Even that is a generalization though based on personal experience.

TL : DR - Don’t base the FGC on a single group of people, good or bad, regardless of where you go you may get higher instances of one or the other. The more people that play something, the more diversity you’ll find in the kind of personalities it attracts.

You are comparing opinions on varieties of fishgirl to opinions on sexism, which isn’t the same. The odd person making a joke about ‘durr she wouldnt have to talk back’ isn’t indicative of the scene as whole, and I would expect most people would be wondering why the fuck somebody posted that picture more so than making witty retorts. As for us supposedly nurturing bigotry, I simply don’t see it. If anything, a lot of people nurture the idea that women are special snowflakes that should be treated in a special manner just because of their genitalia.

If I’m playing a girl (which I have many times, thanks to the variety in the scene here) then I make jokes at her expense and shit talk to her in the same manner I would with a dude, but it’s only when a girl is on the receiving end that I get people going WAH DONT MAKE FUN ;_; DATS SEXIST. I can’t so much as poke fun at a woman without it being a sexist, degrading attack on her humanity perpetrated by a villainous rapist. If anything, a lot of women in the scene need to reevaluate their thin skin when it comes to playful trash talk and look at other people on the receiving end.

I’m a big dude, I have been since I was young. I’m not obese or anything, but I’ve got massive shoulders and am taller and hairier than most. Because of this, I get a lot of wookie, bear or baby face jokes made at my expense. Does it phase me? Hell no, it’s playful shit talking and I’m above that, as are many other people in the scene. Slap a special snowflake in that situation, however, and it is worth a Kotaku article and a petition to have the perpetrators castrated. Why is that so? If they are uncomfortable with shit talking, then reasonable people stop, that’s all there is to it. But writing us off as misogynistic just because there are a few dicks in the community is incredibly ignorant.

LMFAO

I’m going out on a limb here, but I’m going to say that

BEING this:

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http://msghelp.net/files/index.php/dl/kptpszcv-fat-nerd-boy.jpg

and having the false impression you’re going to get this:

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http://acidcow.com/pics/20100209/sexy_gamer_girls_17.jpg

does more damage to a person’s self-esteem than any form of negative energy that the FGC produces. If you’ve ever played basketball/handball/football in a park, went to a club, or went to a bar, you’ve encountered far worse than this:

P.S. Generalizations (Like the article and my post) are bad in general. This post is about 5% serious, and the rest of it is to be taken lightheartedly. This warning is here because today’s person is incapable of understanding sarcasm…
See what I did there?

Preposterous.

There is no racism or misogyny running rampant in the FGC. It really is just a “few people being pricks” and nothing more. A FG meet-up is a bunch of nerdy people having fun playing video games and trash-talking, regardless of gender or race. It’s not a Klan rally or MRA meeting. The Aris fiasco didn’t expose a damned thing other than a handful of morons being morons.

Before this quote gets thrown up later as some sort of “proof” to the contrary, let’s just put it out there now…

“The sexual harassment is part of the culture. If you remove that from the fighting game community, it’s not the fighting game community…" -Aris Bakhtanians

This is a great example of one of the “few people being pricks” throwing a line of horseshit out there that, in no way, speaks for the community or accurately defines it.

I love how this site will be one of the first to deny shit like this with mods who close threads with misogynistic jokes in them while making jokes themselves about throwing a woman down a flight of stairs in the next. It’s quite amusing to watch this childish charade transpire anytime it comes up.