I’m a scrub, what was broken about CvS1 Nakoruru? I never played it but keep hearing she (he?) was broken.
But phoenix is still a normal character. She isn’t gonna walk up and grab you out of supers and hits and take away mega crash. They’re weird and they don’t belong. If you think they’re fine that’s fine but I disagree.
Giants are a part of TvC though. Like Ratio 4 characters in CvS or 1 Character in Skullgirls and Petshop in Jojo’s or Playing as Anak in Vampire. Sure it may make you play the game differently but it usually exposes to you new mechanics in the engine that would be considered gimmicks or won’t get figured out for a long time.
if you had read it, you might have seen that the OP used the wrong words when making his thread in comparison to what he is arguing
Well Damn! Ten entrants and some of them have flown there just for that game?? They’re retarded from the get go! I was thinkin since it was only ten entrants it was probably only locals…but yeah You’re def right. If you’re gonna play a game seriously you have to take everything that comes with it…Even if you come from the group types with “honor codes” n such. More players are like that than you’d think.
But they’re nowhere near broken and not even top tier - and that is all that matters.
Uh…CvS1 Nak was never banned, though.
Her speed, jump angles, damage output, 50/50 mixups where both options were equally damaging and safe with and generally good normals (best standing jab ever). Consensus was that 80% of her matchups was an automatic win for her.
Never said she was, however there is consensus that she’s at (or close to) ST Akuma level. Who knows what would have happened folks didn’t move to CvS2.
Lulz.
Tekkaman Blade counterpicks to the rescue!
or just don’t play 3rd strike or other games like it. I didn’t say all fighting games have 1-3 characters that dominate.
In that case, you’ll be stuck mostly with boring, flattened games.
Look at the majority of the so called classics - in general, these games all have a top tier of 3 to 4 dominant characters.
HF: Ryu, Guile, Sagat
ST: Dhalsim, O.Sagat, Vega, Balrog, Ryu
A2: Ken, Rose, Chun-Li, Ryu
A3: V Akuma, A/V Dhalsim, V Sodom
3S: Chun, Yun with Ken, Mak & Urien following somewhat behind
MvC2: Mags, Storm, Sent, Cable
CVS2: A Bison, A Blanka, A Sakura, C Sagat
The problem is that the characters in question (not just giants; Yun, Phoenix…) are broken intentionally to keep people talking about the game and waiting for the next version. This causes confliction between “Let’s make the best of it” and “Just fix the game I promise I’ll buy it again fuckers!”
Yun isn’t even as bad as his old 3S self. And the MvC2 top tiers would all laugh at Phoenix’s face.
I don’t know that Storm/Sent/Commando would fare well against easy 100% bullshit, quite honestly.
Yun isn’t broken in any game.
Nobody’s “broken” in MvC2.
Phoenix is broken in MvC3, quite honestly.
The only broken characters I’ve ever seen in a Street Fighter game: Shin Akuma in A2 and Akuma in ST.
Phoenix is easily dealt with by snapping her in before your opponent can build 5 bars. Sure it’s a specific strategy against her but that applies to most every character in any fighting game.
All she can do is fill the screen with crap, she has nowhere near the depth or options that Sent or Storm in had in MvC2.
That’s true… Also, referring to MvC3, now that I’m looking at it differently, she’s only that way because MvC3 is easy as fuck to do things in. She’d be harder to use effectively in MvC2, for sure. I’m sure though, she’d fight Sent like a Cable on crack though, and solo Phoenix would rape solo Sentinel… BUT… all things considered…
I rescind my statement. Phoenix, in and of herself isn’t broken. Dark is though, and just outright dumb to deal with. Still a 50/50 shot of getting her in. Because MvC3 is so stupid, you can’t snap Phoenix in and kill her before she lands like you could in MvC2 (a la guard breaks >> 100% silliness). Even if you snap her in, she can still get out fairly easily as her mobility can let her escape your traps.
What are you drivelling about? No mindset is lost. A Tournament or game scene isn’t the same as playing with your buddy at home. Everyone with a vested interest in fighting games are playing to win and will learn match ups and ways to deal with troublesome characters. I’m sorry to break this to you, but nobody is attending for your own personal enjoyment, nor are they responsible for it. If you can’t take losing, don’t participate. Simple as that.
Banning a character now a days is not a good idea. I would only ban a character if absolutely necessary.
I remember getting into Killer Instinct on SNES with a few friends and I was pretty shit, also, they all had the game and I didn’t so I was lagging behind. Then one day I learned some cheap shit with Cinder, basically I was playing Arcana Heart with him by doing left right mix-ups using his airborne dash/rush/fire attack to start combos, then ending them ASAP and tacking a juggle on the end.
This was simple stuff, but none of them could beat me so after a while, they banned me from playing Cinder.
I occasionally play online with these guys now after years of loosing contact, now, they are pretty much free in every game we play.
Moral of the story: Learn your shit and only ban when a character is proven broken and even then, test shit out once a while to see if you can break-the-broken.
I’d like an answer to this too.