But how can you determine what the “real game” is? The “real game” is what you get when you boot up TvC in your Wii, and that includes the giants. Yes, they’re different, but they’re a part of TvC, and like it or not you’ve gotta deal with them just like all of the other characters.
I thought the whole TvC thing was settled and that we were on to talking about banning and “broken” characters in general.
That said, if it’s in the game, than it’s in the game. Taking stuff out because it’s not “part of the real game” is stupid.
well some people complain when they lose to broken characters while they are using the worse characters in the game I mean its not the other players fault your using bad characters I use whoever I want and when I lose I just go sigh…whatever and keep playing but then again I usually play ryu in sf games lol
Well people will complain no matter what, even if the game is balanced people will complain about something. Like idiots who think blanka is cheap even though he’s mid tier. Or people who complain about getting thrown to much. Or people who complain about Leons high low mix up in vf
Put perfectly. who cares if its broken. i hate that word. its becoming broken itself!!! anyway, if someone does broken shit and you lose, just learn from it. im happy when i play a certin character and already know that hes gonna use this or that move cause everyone does. it makes me play harder to find a way around it and overall make you a better player period. hey im tryna get up there with the likes of justin wong and daigo and if they can whoop endless ass and not bitch then im on my way. BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKEN.
I still think the TvC situation is an entirely different matter
because except for a few exception like ST Akuma, the rules have always been to deal with “broken” characters
That’s just a byproduct of the “scrub” mentality. I’ve noticed that people complain about throws an awful lot more than anything else though. A good while back I was playing Tekken 4 with some other guy at a friend’s house, and he every time I threw him he would ask me not to do it. Didn’t stop me, though. 
yeah i find that they get very annoyed by the throws, its like they feel violated when they found that you can still break their “defense” when you throw them
of course that is only when you are over them mixing them up “spamming” combos and throws as some have told me before 
, and not zoning/running away their sorry asses
I don’t think fixed top tiers will do anything, god tiers is a other story. I don’t know why blanka gets so much hate, maybe shoto scrubs can’t handle him
The banning of the giants in that tourney inspired me to write the article, but it really wasn’t about giants. They were the back story, so I talked about them (perhaps too much), but ultimately I don’t care if they are or are not over powered. I understand that the organizer is free to make a decision, and I even understand why he made the decision that he did. However, the mindset that caused his decision, the mindset that lead numerous people to say, “I won’t play in the tournament with giants,” harms the* fighting game* scene as a whole. The organizer himself said he did it so he wouldn’t lose players. Well, he would have had at least 1 more player in the tournament if people didn’t threaten to leave if giants were allowed.
I don’t care about TvC anymore. I haven’t even hooked up my Wii since I brought it back from Evo, and it is doubtful that I will ever play the game again.
But next year or the year after when I go to a tournament for a different game (or you go to a tournament), I don’t want this sort of thing to happen again. That is why I wrote the article, to encourage the scene as a whole to move away from a weak, I-won’t-play-if, mentality. That mentality harms the game and the scene as a whole. That is what I was trying to address.
The real game is obviously TvC with giants, but that’s not what people wanted it to be and enjoyed playing. To TvC players the “real game” was a 2v2 VS game with assists, tagging, etc, not 2vG or GvG.
Is tvc still played at evo? If not why does it matter?
The “real” Jojo’s with out Iggy teleporting around, walking around under projectiles, gliding in the air, doing tick demons, canceling a ground tech with a teleport, or setting up a unblockable set up for a tandem as oki. Young Joesph has none of this neither does Jotaro, Kakyoin, Dio, or Petshop.
Does this make it that this Iggy bannable since he has way more options then other top tiers even more then looked down upon characters?
sf4 zoning(referring to fireballs) is no where near as effective as it was in the older games (omit 3s and maybe a3) cause you could just focus through them. plus fireballs in sf4 can be easily jumped over. then in super they gave most of the chars anti fireball tools. then in ae alomost every char has anti fireball tools and yet they still complain about fireball zoning being cheap.
That would be up to JoJo players.
People give Brawl shit for wanting to ban Metaknight, but they don’t understand how stupid it is. Something like 30 of their Top 32 ranked players are Metaknight only, and the other 2 sub him. If a game ever gets that bad I think it’s okay to just ban the character. Marvel 3 almost got there (play Wolvie/Phoenix or don’t bother playing) but the game is so random no one even gave a shit.
it was a side tournament
The biggest problem I have with fighting games is now is the whole come back factor. Back then there weren’t no fucking ultras, or x-factor come back bs. Capcom is making there fighting games like smash bros brawl, wayyyy to noob friendly. I wish capcom would go back to making games with no come back gimmicks.
People play “broken” characters for the same reason people like to see a fighter in UFC repeatedly smash some dudes face in til he looks like the elephant man. “Broken” characters let you beat people down relentlessly and there is something very primal about that.
Reminds me of someone who was trying to host an SSF4 tournament that banned Sagat, Ryu, Guile and Dhalsim, with pretty much the exact same argument, replacing the word giant with fireball.
A rather large subset of what’s considered legitimate and not over time has devolved into just that though, combined with “traditions” that carried over from melee ( the standardization of no items ) and other such herpderpery that’s trashed any hope of a competitive scene. Allowing yourself to be wrapped up in the hive-mind’s propaganda on the subject doesn’t make it any more valid.
Can people stop bringing up items? I’ve already explained about why they are not in normal tournament play. It has nothing to do with carrying over from Melee. Brawl and Melee are their own games.