This is crap for the fact I constantly got bodied in MvC2 and all it did was make me play more and practice more.
You want to be at that level so you can surpass that level and surpass the people who made you look like a bitch.
Play to win. Not play to arm chair game and bitch about shit cause you can’t level up.
I thought the whole reason Marvel was popular was BECAUSE 1 or 2 mistakes can cost you the game.
Well that and the Marvel characters.
thats why u ask questions! im pretty sure most of the time ppl who are frustrated with losing to higher skilled ppl just don’t know what to do in certain situations. but all that shit takes is practice!
this isn’t directed to all ppl who are “beginners” cause im assuming these beginners are casuals or don’t really care enough to give a damn about winning. but for the people like the op who has a SRK account and is posting in a MVC3 section. instead of begging for ppl to go easy on you. learn from your mistakes…ask “why am i losing?” and see if anyone can help you with your question. i know saying “learn 2 block” not gonna help but really learning to block is the first step to getting better. the more you block the more likely u learn what and how to punish/counter attack certain moves.
watch vids, ask questions and TRAIN the two bolded are the most important part in learning! you’re not gonna improve if you are sitting here asking ppl to go easy on you. thats just another way of saying “i want you to lose to me on purpose!” sometimes…no…ALOT of times your gonna have to hold that L in your chest and move on. all these ppl are bitching at you because they had to go through it the hard way and learn through experience so when they see someone saying “go easy” then they’re gonna get mad.
if you can’t change your attitude about losing to the better player then your gonna get worst down the line
For hardcore fighter, maybe you’re right. For a beginner just learning the game - you’re wrong. Completely wrong. A beginner by definition doesn’t even know enough to make a decision of whether or not they want to be as good or better than the best - they just want to learn how to play and have some competitive matches against their friends. Heck, I’ve been playing fighters since Special Championship Edition (whatever year that was) and didn’t decide I wanted to try my hand at tournies until about a year ago. Until then, playing against friends and random people at the arcade was good enough for me. You think a beginner even knows who the best players are?
Who said anything about people being upset with losing? Everybody loses when they’re learning - that’s a fact. The point is to learn when you’re losing and some troll coming into a beginner’s room and mopping them up for kicks ain’t gonna teach them a thing. Said troll isn’t about to answer any questions because… they’re trolling. By definition they aren’t there to help.
whether he’s losing to a troll or a high skilled player…they’re losing to someone better then them. which is what he’s upset about…losing to better players. like i said in my post that wasn’t towards ppl who don’t care like the casuals/beginners…the op cares (im assuming) cause he’s losing to sum players better then him. im assuming he wants to get better cause he sure did make an account on srk…the PERFECT place to ask questions. xbox360/ps3 isn’t really the spot i was talking about as i never mention it. im trying to tell op instead of coming in here bitching about why ppl arent going easy on you, get better, study the game, train and dominate.
also if the OP is reading my post. word of advice…putting “beginners unite!” for a lobby name don’t mean all ppl are gonna be beginners…in fact…that’ll attract the assholes that wanna just beat on sum low level players.
My point is there’s a difference between getting beat by a better player and getting beat by a player miles ahead of you. If said player whose miles ahead is also a troll - they aren’t going to learn squat because said troll is just gonna maul them. It’ll be over before they know it.
^^ I agree with the basic gist of the topic starter. I love the game but have soooo far to go before i can do the higher-end crap that others are pulling off, so i stay the hell away from ranked matches for now(AKA: Shark infested waters).
Plus in addition to leaning stuff and trying to get better, i still want to have fun with the game too damnit. Which going up against a much more advanced player who is constantly out to kill my characters in one combo, and often does is not my idea of it.
I’m well aware of the old adage of playing better players to get better, but one does not always have to go to that extreme. There is still plenty to be taken away from matching against those more towards your skill level, like execution, learning different combos, mindgames, misc exeprimetal stuff, and simply becoming more comfortable with the game system itself over time.
A lot of which is simply not going to happen if I go up against someone a lot better who is just going to roll a train over me from start to finish. Especially in a game like this where it seems that one mistake results in a cut-scene while i can do nothing but watch them wail on my character.
just to reiterate again, this isn’t as much about me as it is the game in general. In all honesty capcom’s revision-mania only gets worse when adoption rates and server traffic dwindle. People were complaining about the sentinel nerf because it catered to casual players: trolling beginners is what causes them to whine to capcom, which in turn causes patches and re-releases. Working at a game store has given me a fair deal of insight into how many pairs of hands a copy changes, and it seems like the quickest way to kill a games online play.
that said, i was never upset about losing to people who are better to me, just upset to not be able to play. I haven’t played vanilla since about april, and my old team suffered greatly from the new mechanics. my biggest problems with my new team (Wright, Frank, Haggar) were trying to get in and trying to punish, pretty much starting from scratch. there’s no local scene around here, and its nice to take a break from training mode sometimes. Over the past few days i like to think i’ve gotten better to the point where i don’t consider myself a beginner, and so use general lobbies now.
just remember, not everyone plays games like a second job. you can nurture a superiority complex all you like, but that doesn’t make anyone else less deserving of enjoying the same game as you.
Ok after seeing the consensus from the multiple people responding as well as from my own experiences, I think that the main problem when it comes to newcomers trying to break into a fighting game such as Marvel is that they don’t have the correct expectations and if they don’t have a veteran FG player, won’t have the proper guidance, priorities, or sequence of actions needed to be taken to get to that level of fun and skill that everyone wishes to achieve.
I am actually a relatively new member of the Fighting Game Community. I started off playing Tekken and have sense moved to MVC3 (now UMVC3) because it seemed to fit more my style. When I first started playing Tekken the first thing I did was play arcade mode. Once I beat that mode and felt relatively secure in my “skills” at the game I went online. That was my first mistake and I payed dearly for it. I was consistently destroyed time and time again and with no understanding as of why. And this was not because I didn’t understand certain actions/consequences such as “if I throw out move A and it doesn’t hit the person at all then I get hit back” because ANYONE can ascertain that from just seeing it. No, see I didn’t have guidance or direction as I had never played a fighting game before since I mashed buttons in Tekken 2 on the PS One. SO I had NO fundamentals, no knowledge of the game’s mechanics, no execution, no mind games, no consistency, no patience, and no skill. But the worst part was that I had no idea that I NEEDED these things in order to play the game on ANY sort of competent level so I didn’t look to learn them. So all I got every loss was frustration and confusion at trying to wrap my mind around something that I couldn’t comprehend and with no guidance or direction didn’t know where to go or who to go to if there even was such a place.
Fortunately for me, I unknowingly was surrounded by friends that were and are veteran FG players since SF one days and have played every game since very competitively; some that actually frequent here a lot and that you might have heard of (RavenTrinity, TenStars). They through time opened my eyes to the REAL game that was in front of me and not the limited perception of the game that I currently had. Now I knew about the concept of footsies, that an element called frame data existed, and that spacing was an important tool. And so came the power of training mode and ability to recreate any hard situation and find the best viable solution. And the joy of practicing that awesome 60+ hit combo over and over again to the point that you no longer have to even think to do it as it’s all muscle memory now. And despite all the different elements of the game being opened up to me, despite the size of information I was not deterred from taking out the time to learn what I needed to be competent even if I knew that it would take a long time. Why? Because I wasn’t floundering around alone in ignorance and frustration but because I had a direction now to go; a direction that would lead me to competent game play rather than blind luck and disappointment.
Now granted, back then to even now I get my but beat badly by players that are indeed better than I am. But this time around when I lose, I am usually able to tell at what point I lost and why and if not, I know the different outlets that I can visit to figure out why (Shoryuken forums, BradyGames Guide Book, friends, etc) so the times of losing to what I don’t understand are over and now I am able to progress and learn from mistakes.
The point that I am trying to make here is that as a newcomer to the community, if you don’t have any proper direction or guidance to know what to do and how to learn/level up your abilities, all you do is feel blind, helpless, and abused by those around you that will decimate not only your character/team in a game, but your willingness to continue and persevere at the game of choice. So beating on someone new and then telling them to suck it up and just learn doesn’t tell the person anything. Hell all it did for me was cause me to want to rage out and say f*$% the game because everyone on it is an @sshole.
Now granted, this generation (myself DEFINITELY included) was born with spoon fed mentality unlike those of the past. HOWEVER, with all the different mediums out there given to us and the ability to do so through said mediums, can you really blame us? Now I am not saying that it’s someone else’s job to baby and teach an infant FGC member, but it is the duty of those knowledgeable to point them in the right direction or just GIVE them a direction to go if we ever expect them to progress in the community and as a competitive player. So think twice before unleashing your unblockable 99+ hit combo on a newcomer and having them get mad in frustration as to not understanding what just happened only to tell them “learn to block.”
I’m so tempted to sig this.
Going in beginner lobby just to “ownz some nioubz” is just douchy.
They made the lobby with the title “for beginner” let them play between beginner. Same for people who dont want scrubs in their lobby put the title “expert only”. It’s not quantum physics for chrissake -_-.
This entire thread has spun out into a "You shouldn’t play this game if you get mad at losing/practice more/“everyone is trolling me” thread, and I feel that is something that belongs in the newbie section of this forum.
I for one, join the lobbies based on connection, I could care less what text says.
This thread isn’t helpful to anyone, and all the discussion in here has turned into pathetic cries and finger pointing.
I hope this gets locked.
Thats where I am on this issue. SRK has this ‘air’ about it where everything is ‘absolute’ and this is false. In truth you should only play people marginally better than you at a time, otherwise you get blown up too bad to actually understand why you are getting blownup. I’ve been blown up so bad before that at the end of the match I learned absolutly NOTHING, because I didn’t know why I got blown up.
‘Block better’ people can just fuck themselves - real talk. Thats an idiotic response on every level. Especially in a game where character gets KOed from command grabs and the such. The game has ALOT of intricacies that played at this speed can take time for someone new to absorb to an even ‘competent’ level.
You improve your execution…awesome. But you still die from not being able to land the hits necessary to DO the combo you’ve trained for hours on. You haven’t figured out how to escape a certain pressure or mix-up, you die without doing much of anything…so that time spent in training mode was completle MOOT. Don’t get me wrong, its an awesome tool, but I’m form the camp of experience is worth just as muc hif not more than just hanging in a training room all day.
Thats the fucking point of fighting games, dont make mistakes and capitalize on the ones your opponent makes. Seriously you scrubs need to stop with these complaining threads.
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Why have none of the responses in this thread taken into account people who just want to play the games for fun? Not everyone is going to get to tournament level nor even shoot for that. Some people just want to play against those of similar skill level and have fun with the game. If they’ve taken to time to mark their lobby as such, rolling in and mopping the floor with everyone does no one any favors.
WTF is this thread? Online players play online to win. If you want to have fun, play offline with your friends. It’s been this way for god knows how long.
Funny story, true story actually. Training mode isn’t just “beat up on a lifeless dummy with auto-block to practice combos” mode. Depending on the game, there is a tool for just about everything you would need in an actual match. You go from practicing combos to practicing different setups for said combos. You can work on Mix-up opportunities, and hell, you can even use the record/replay feature, that should be standard in every FG out there now, to take the situations you learn from player matches, study upon them, and train yourself to know what to do in those situations. It’s not just about practicing combos. That combined with actual player experience will only do nothing but make you better as a player.
Bcause its SRK. People read Seth’s work, it became the bible, and anything thats not part of the bible is blasphemy. On SRK you either suck or are godlike. There is no room to be regular or average or have a life outside of SF. And honestly I’m not saying that as a strike agianst SRK or anyone here, just saying thats the mentality - go hard or go home. Its unfair though for average joe’s such as myself. shrug
About two years? HAHA. If anything its the opposite IMO. At least assuming your friends are hardcore also - you usually get better run with them, and save online for trying out new stuff or just seeing what else is out there.
Playing online should only be a PART of your regimen in terms of leveling up your game.
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[]First and foremost remember that knowledge is power. The first thing you need to do when entering a new game is research. I know it sounds boring and a waste of time but when I say research, that doesn’t mean popping out the encyclopedia and memorizing words. No, I mean research that you can actually do from the game itself. You need to find out how it plays:
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[]How do the characters move?
[]What is the general feel in terms of how fast the game plays?
[]How are the characters differentiated?
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[]Can some characters fly/float?
[]Are some characters meant to be played up close/ranged?
[]Is the element of chip present?
[]Can everyone perform ranged attacks or only some?
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[]How would footsies pertain to this game if at all?
[]Will spacing be a big impact on how the game play or not so much?
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[INDENT=1]2. The next thing you want to do is test out each character on the roster and feel out the one that seems to fit you the most.[/INDENT]
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[]Which character do you feel the most connected with?
[]Which character plays in the style that fits you? (fast, slow but heavy, powerful, reset monster,)
[]Will this character cause me to have trouble against these characters and if so why?
[]What advantages/disadvantages does this character(s) have over that of the rest of the cast?
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[INDENT=1]3. Once you’ve gotten your character/team down, it’s time to hit the hyperbolic time chamber. First thing you want to do there is learn the ins and outs of your character(s):[/INDENT]
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[]What moves could be used as his anti-airs?
[]What moves could be used to help get in on his opponent?
[]What moves are safe?
[]What moves are unsafe?
[]What strings does he have?
[]If they are unsafe, how do I make them safe?
[]How fast can he move?
[]Does he have wavedash/flight/air dash?
[]What ways can I get my opponent off of me?
[]What ways can I bring my opponent in?
[]What ways can I keep my opponent at a range?
[]What are his whiff punishes?
[]Does he possess any armor moves? (hyper/super)
[]How should I be playing this character?
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4. Then it’s time for a little character knowledge for the other members of the cast. Depending on the game, this could end up being quite a big portion of information (Tekken, UMVC3, etc) There is however a trick to this part of the process however and I;m going to tell you what it is. You DON’T need to know everything there is about every character in the game. That would be impossible. There are only 3 things that you HAVE to know and in my personal opinion, everything else is pure optional.
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[]The frame data for each characters normal attacks; most importantly their standing and crouching jabs. This will tell you if you are allowed to press a button and which to press if advantageous, if you and your opponent are both in a neutral state.
[]What moves/options are UNSAFE for you opponents character. This is usually consisted of specials and such that are not safe if whiffed or sometimes if blocked. However different moves leave both players at different states so while one move might be punishable by say a standing jab if the attack is whiffed, the window for retaliation might be smaller and possible not large enough for that same move is you are forced to block it. Knowing this tells you when it is ok to hit something .
[*]What moves/options are SAFE for your opponents character. This would entail moves that are usually either extensions to normal attacks or strings that leave your opponent in a positive state frame ways. This lets you know when you should NOT be touching ANYTHING for fear of you getting attacked and possibly K.O.'d.
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In my opinion everything else is really extra and up for you to decide if necessary for you to be fully competent in a match against that character in the future.
[INDENT=1]5. After all of this is where things start to get fun. You should then be practicing combos, resets, and the fundamentals of gaming (footsies, spacing, etc)in training mode and setting up situations that you feel you might come across and how to counter them. This should also be the time that you also practice your character’s normal such as his anti-airs and the like so when the time comes to use it, you are able to do so without hesitation. In a real match you do not have the luxury be second-guessing your inputs and execution when it’s down to the wire and the pressure is on. Once that is complete you are ready for the final step.[/INDENT]
[INDENT=1]6. Playing online. Now when doing this you must ALWAYS remember that lag no matter how small depending on your area, will affect you no matter what. This in mind though, you should not be deterred from playing your best and learning what you can. There are a couple things you want to keep in mind though when online:[/INDENT]
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[]If you’re going 20+ wins against the same group of people, you will NEVER advance as a player. If you want to advance you have to play not just competent players but players better then yourself and degreeing ranges.
[]You will win some and you will lose some. No matter whether you wins or lose, you should ALWAYS take each match as an opportunity to learn from it and use that information to better yourself for future matches. Being able to ascertain why you won or lost a battle is something that is an invaluable tool and one that will cause you to advance greatly as a player.
[]Ask questions. If you see something you don’t understand and the person is willing to answer, ask them specifics about that particular instance and from there.
[]Always play people better than you but also ALWAYS have at least a small group of friends either online or (preferably) in person that are on or close to your skill level as playing high-level players WILL boost your knowledge getting repetition and solid practice with the game with individuals on the same level as you provide you with good knowledge, good communication, and the ability to learn how to fully control yourself in high pressure situations that might come your way casually and that WILL come your way competitively.
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You follow this routine and you can be sure that you will be upgrading your skills from noob to pro in no time. Shoot I;m still using it and I’m still on part 6. 
i just dont get why make a thread on srk to complain if ur not serious about the game…waste of time if u ask me go take that venting shit to a blog…