Who Plays KOF The Best?

[system]

As for the anecdote comment, I was referring to your life story about how you play online because no one in your scene likes you and how you’re oh so good at a game with horrible netcode and believe you’re at a tournament level.
I’ve already said what needed to be said. Or are you that retarded that you need me to break it down even further?
I didn’t overlook it you fucking twit. In fact, I’ve said it myself.
2nd of all, I paraphrased what you said. Do you know what paraphrasing is? Of course you don’t, you just like to nitpick.
I didn’t do a good job of trolling you? Well, aren’t you replying? You bit the bait hard, don’t lie.
Riding on Emil’s dick? Yes, because simply acknowledging that a player is good is all of a sudden riding their dick. But I’m sure no one has acknowledged that you’re a good player and you’re just jealous. :wtf:

Guess it’s safe to say that you’re riding MY dick now since you just love replying to me so much.

Dude, you didn’t paraphrase shit lol. You quoted me inccorectly and and then when I call u on it u give me this completly off-topic BS that has nothing to do with anything. My ancedote was comparing my situation to emil since we both have similar circumstances, but since ur reading comprehensive is shit I will need to break this down even further for you.

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=7805277&postcount=55

Here is the post I intially responding to where emil considers himself the best player in NA and I gave my “life story” where I cimpare my circumstances to emil.

Here is my comments in that reply**“infact I would consider myself evo worthy in this regard” **

Now here is what you say**“He didn’t say he’s good enough to enter, he said he’s top something Evo material which is obiously a joke considering the amount of great players there are in HDR. Compare that to Emil’s statement about being the best in a continent where a game barely even gets played.” **

So u didnt paraphrase buddy, u lied and didnt read what was written. U say I am delusional yet u create these statements out fo thin air and put words into people mouths then justify it by saying"oh well Im just paraphrasing" lol…geez what a ***.

Edit: And dude…you replied to me first and trolled for no good reason and then u dare say I’m the one who loves to reply so much lol.

[Anakron]

Dude, you didn’t paraphrase shit lol. You quoted me inccorectly and and then when I call u on it u give me this completly off-topic BS that has nothing to do with anything. My ancedote was comparing my situation to emil since we both have similar circumstances, but since ur reading comprehensive is shit I will need to break this down even further for you.

Paraphrase (pronounced /?pr?fre?z/) is restatement of a text or passages, using other words.

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=7805277&postcount=55

Here is the post I intially responding to where emil considers himself the best player in NA and I gave my “life story” where I cimpare my circumstances to emil.

Sorry, people actually know and like Emil. Who the fuck are you again?

Here is my comments in that reply**“infact I would consider myself evo worthy in this regard” **

Now here is what you say**“He didn’t say he’s good enough to enter, he said he’s top something Evo material which is obiously a joke considering the amount of great players there are in HDR. Compare that to Emil’s statement about being the best in a continent where a game barely even gets played.” **

So u didnt paraphrase buddy, u lied and didnt read what was written. U say I am delusional yet u create these statements out fo thin air and put words into people mouths then justify it by saying"oh well Im just paraphrasing" lol…geez what a ***.

Selective reading much? People interpret things differently and it’s pretty obvious that you’re just coming out to say that you’re good at games with no proof of it. No one even really cares dude. You’re a Johnny Dounuts who’s basically saying that you’re a good online player who doesn’t talk shit and doesn’t talk down to people. That has nothing to do with the topic and nothing to do with what was going on. You need to take some ritalin before you post and you need to read before you post, if you don’t do that already.

Edit: And dude…you replied to me first and trolled for no good reason and then u dare say I’m the one who loves to reply so much lol.

Yes, because I’m telling you to shut up and stop being ignorant. I have no problem with disagreeing with people who actually know what they’re talking about and can back up what they’re saying. Since you can’t do any of that and you don’t know what you’re talking about, I’m asking you to shut the fuck up.

[TSF]

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hey emil, were u at lovegety last night? I saw a pretty awesome dictator player playing SFIV and was constantly looking at people playing on the KOF98UM machine

[Portland_Drama]

Saying that your Fei Long is on par with Sirlin’s is a pretty strong suggestion. And yes, it implies by default that you are Evo ready. He called your bluff, he didn’t misread.

[Emil]

hey emil, were u at lovegety last night? I saw a pretty awesome dictator player playing SFIV and was constantly looking at people playing on the KOF98UM machine

Nah, wasn’t me…I actually haven’t played SFIV in a few months.

I don’t got that much time to go down to loveghetty but…when I take my vacation time off (for FF13), I will probably head down there for sure…so that will be around March.

[rukawa_kaede]

what was the topic again?

seriously

edit: Nah, forget it this thread sucks

[zeech]

If SNK was a real company they would hold world tournaments and fly people over to japan for finals

[Dark_Geese]

If SNK was a real company they would hold world tournaments and fly people over to japan for finals

Why should they fly them to Japan once again for Finals? Remind us why everything has to be centered around Japan again?

Why not have tournaments all over?

[metalmike31216]

I love this thread

[zeech]

Why should they fly them to Japan once again for Finals? Remind us why everything has to be centered around Japan again?

Why not have tournaments all over?

I said, they would have qualifying tournaments all over the world, and then fly people to Japan for finals. Where else would they hold the world finals?

Why would they hold it in Germany or Chile or anywhere else when none of their staff understand the language, and they have no offices? They are a Japanese company, it would presumably make sense for them to hold their main event in Japan.

Alternatively, they might draw bigger crowds if they hold the finals in China, since its so popular there, and the high population etc.

I know its a running sore point with you guys that the game was made in Japan, but… it is, you know?

[Dark_Geese]

Which style are you?

Let’s change the topic- Let’s talk about casual/tournament styles shall we?

There’s The Art of the Sand vs. Go Hard Or Go Home Style:

Let me define both styles of play:

Go Hard Or Go Home:

People of this belief system believe you go all out 100% of the time, even in casuals you give it all you got and play your best. They make the best effort out of every opportunity they have to improve via playing to their maximum potential. Sometimes these people do not know how to dial it down a notch in order to teach others how to play the game, because they believe it is imperative to give it all you got all the time. That’s the only real drawback I can see. People with this style of play are just as effective as the other style which I am going to mention:

Casual/Tournament Style II: The Art of the Sand- Sand Stands for Sandbagging- which is going less than 100%. People sandbag for many different reasons (As this is my personal style)-

1. Teaching people- If you are hitting someone with Level 40 stuff when they are learning at level 20, how can they make progress and learn? That’s like throwing a Calculus IV book to High School Algebra students. Thus Sandbagging enables you to adjust to the level of the person you are training, show them where they can improve, repeat things until they pick up on patterns etc. You adjust the level of play as they improve.

2. A. Pre tournament mind games/Hustling- If you sandbag against people in casuals, you can give them false hope by letting them win, and then that will convince them to money match you, where you can go full force on them and then take their money! :devil:

B. The Mad Scientist Approach: Students of the Art of the Sand are Mad Scientists, looking at any and every opportunity to test something out and see how it works. They also look at every opportunity to gain some information on their opponent without revealing themselves. Thus a Sandbagger will play in casuals vs. everyone and use random characters, they may even let you win, but if you are of the “Go Hard or Go home” mentality, you will show them what they need to know about you so if you play in a tournament/money match, it’s a wrap.

Primary example here:

I know for a fact that Kane9999 is a student of Sandbagging. I do not know what School of thought RJ is of, but Kane9999 was “feeling out” RJ in the first exhibition match, and while RJ did win the first KOFXI Exhibition 3-0, Kane9999 wasn’t using his primary tournament characters, so he felt RJ out so that he would know how to play against him in a tournament.

When they played their next exhibition not only did Kane9999 use his tournament characters, but he won 2-0 in the exhibition, and 2-0 in the tournament vs. RJ. He had gathered all the info he needed on RJ based off the exhibition matches and hadn’t revealed himself. I was even talking to RJ during those matches telling him he was feeling him out thus RJ knows this.

Now before I continue, identify what school of thought are you?

The Go Hard or Go Home

Or

The Art of the Sand

Pick one and explain why…

-DG

[zeech]

Whilst I’m not a tournament player (apart from “friends tournaments” I would prefer the sandbagging style. (except maybe the hustling

Its better for the community if you’re willing to teach other players and tutor them.
Its better for your own skill to experiment with the game when you have a chance to (although maybe not at a tourney, but at your local arcade).
Its smarter play to hide what you can do before you go into the real tournament. (although you can go hard in casuals afterwards).

I dont see how the go hard school has any advantages at all, apart from some sort of misguided purity.

[Dark_Geese]

Whilst I’m not a tournament player (apart from “friends tournaments” I would prefer the sandbagging style. (except maybe the hustling

Its better for the community if you’re willing to teach other players and tutor them.
Its better for your own skill to experiment with the game when you have a chance to (although maybe not at a tourney, but at your local arcade).
Its smarter play to hide what you can do before you go into the real tournament. (although you can go hard in casuals afterwards).

I dont see how the go hard school has any advantages at all, apart from some sort of misguided purity.

Well look at it this way, the Go Hard or Go Home has benefits if you are around a bunch of super high level players:

Because then you gotta play your best just to compete, so if you are around these level players, everyday you gotta play hard just to survive. Like if I got to play vs. Kane9999 in KOFXI everyday, vs. him I’d be a Go Hard or Go Home player all the time…Just like the person you are training to play you’d want to be a Go Hard or Go Home player, you want them to play their best all the time so they can learn.

So you understand where I’m coming from?

[Anakron]

I don’t think these styles of play really apply to tournaments but more so to casuals. I’m sure they might to some extent, but why would you be teaching anyone anything in a tournament?

Anyway, you might as well just give it your best in any situation since you’ll end up teaching people as well. The concept of sandbagging in tournaments just seems extremely outlandish to me.

[Dark_Geese]

I don’t think these styles of play really apply to tournaments but more so to casuals. I’m sure they might to some extent, but why would you be teaching anyone anything in a tournament?

Anyway, you might as well just give it your best in any situation since you’ll end up teaching people as well. The concept of sandbagging in tournaments just seems extremely outlandish to me.

Yea this would more or less apply to casuals bc I know some people that refuse to upload casuals even of them playing so people anywhere won’t see how they play…and steal their strats…but if you sandbag correctly there’s very little for people to take.

Plus ontop of that let them “be fooled” into thinking “Man I’d beat you with ease” let them think that or that their friend would win with ease, then you show them whats up in person…

This is yet another variable why you can’t judge based off match vids FOR SURE BASED OFF CASUALS…

So you’re Go hard or Go Home…Gotcha.

Also Ask Mr. KOF about sandbagging in tournaments, he did it in KOFXI at NDP 2k9 to keep Kane9999 from studying up his strats.

See everyone, there’s people of different ways of thoughts and they both are very effective. Let’s try to disagree respectfully here if you do disagree so we can keep this thing civil. :china:

Thanks,

DG

[_Above_Omnipotence]

Let’s change the topic- Let’s talk about tournament styles shall we?

There’s The Art of the Sand vs. Go Hard Or Go Home Style:

Let me define both styles of play:

Go Hard Or Go Home:

People of this belief system believe you go all out 100% of the time, even in casuals you give it all you got and play your best. They make the best effort out of every opportunity they have to improve via playing to their maximum potential. Sometimes these people do not know how to dial it down a notch in order to teach others how to play the game, because they believe it is imperative to give it all you got all the time. That’s the only real drawback I can see. People with this style of play are just as effective as the other style which I am going to mention:

Tournament Style II: The Art of the Sand- Sand Stands for Sandbagging- which is going less than 100%. People sandbag for many different reasons (As this is my personal style)-

1. Teaching people- If you are hitting someone with Level 40 stuff when they are learning at level 20, how can they make progress and learn? That’s like throwing a Calculus IV book to High School Algebra students. Thus Sandbagging enables you to adjust to the level of the person you are training, show them where they can improve, repeat things until they pick up on patterns etc. You adjust the level of play as they improve.

2. A. Pre tournament mind games/Hustling- If you sandbag against people in casuals, you can give them false hope by letting them win, and then that will convince them to money match you, where you can go full force on them and then take their money! :devil:

B. The Mad Scientist Approach: Students of the art of sand are Mad Scientists, looking at any and every opportunity to test something out and see how it works. They also look at every opportunity to gain some information on their opponent without revealing themselves. Thus a Sandbagger will play in casuals vs. everyone and use random characters, they may even let you win, but if you are of the “Go hard Go home” mentality, you will show them what they need to know about you so if you play in person it’s a wrap.

Primary example here:

I know for a face that Kane9999 is a student of Sandbagging. I do not know what School of thought RJ is of, but Kane9999 was “feeling out” RJ in the first exhibition match, and RJ while RJ did win the first KOFXI Exhibition 3-0, Kane9999 wasn’t using his primary tournament characters, so he felt RJ out so that he would know how to play against him in a tournament.

When they played their next exhibition not only did Kane9999 use his tournament characters, but he won 2-0 in the exhibition, and 2-0 in the tournament vs. RJ. He had gathered all the info he needed on RJ based off the exhibition matches and hadn’t revealed himself. I was even talking to RJ during those matches telling him he was feeling him out thus RJ knows this.

Now before I continue, identify what school of thought are you?

The Go Hard or Go Home

Or

The Art of the Sand

Pick one and explain why…

-DG

(physical form)

This is a VERY good post. Though, I’m a little of both. You see, I’m the type of person that likes to try out new characters and see what they’re capable of. I can figure out a character within’ minutes and I can determine whether or not I like them/gonna be my MAINS within’ seconds. In pre-tourny casuals I NEVER use my mains, only 2ndary/3rdary/4thdary characters, BUT I still go all out with those characters against whomever I’m playing and I just may get beat, BUT during my match I have already figured out how to defeat them if I happen to match-up with them in a tourny/money match with my MAIN characters. Though, things could happen and not go my way, if you know what I mean.

[zeech]

Well look at it this way, the Go Hard or Go Home has benefits if you are around a bunch of super high level players:

Because then you gotta play your best just to compete, so if you are around these level players, everyday you gotta play hard just to survive. Like if I got to play vs. Kane9999 in KOFXI everyday, vs. him I’d be a Go Hard or Go Home player all the time…Just like the person you are training to play you’d want to be a Go Hard or Go Home player, you want them to play their best all the time so they can learn.

So you understand where I’m coming from?

Yeah, I guess if skilled people were all Go Hard players then every match, even casuals, would be high quality matches.

But I guess your options were a bit unbalanced. After all, a sandbagging player CAN go hard if the situation calls for it. So you’re giving the choice between “everything” versus “only one thing”.

[Dark_Geese]

(physical form)

This is a VERY good post. Though, I’m a little of both. You see, I’m the type of person that likes to try out new characters and see what they’re capable of. I can figure out a character within’ minutes and I can determine whether or not I like them/gonna be my MAINS within’ seconds. In pre-tourny casuals I NEVER use my mains, only 2ndary/3rdary/4thdary characters, BUT I still go all out with those characters against whomever I’m playing and I just may get beat, BUT during my match I have already figured out how to defeat them if I happen to match-up with them in a tourny/money match with my MAIN characters. Though, things could happen and not go my way, if you know what I mean.

I’d still consider that to be The Art of Sandbagging. Kane9999 did that vs. RJ and Mr. KOF in their KOFXI exhibitions PRIOR to the tournament-

Though Kane9999 does use Oswald, he’s like a backup character for matchup purposes. So vs. RJ and Mr. KOF in their pre-tournament exhibitions, he used Oswald on his team and was experimenting with his 2nd/3rd characters to feel out his opponent and see how much they would give him so he’d be prepared when the MONEY WAS ON THE LINE.

And if you just look at how the matches went going from Exhibitions to tournament, you can see clearly the art of a Master Sandbagger- He loses to RJ 3-0 in the Exhibition, wins in the tournament vs. RJ 2-0 and the 2nd Exhibition 2-0.

Loses to Mr. KOF in Both the pre tournament Exhibitions: Defeats Mr. KOF in Winners Finals 3-0, and lost in Grand Finals 4-3 in the first set and 4-2 in the second set of Grand Finals to Mr. KOF.

Also loses to Omerta in Garou MOTW casuals, but defeats Omerta 2x when it counts when the camera rolls.

So obviously he was gathering information.

So it’s all about what information are you going to reveal to players prior to playing. My thought is you always gotta enter in with a strategy…

-DG

[zeech]

Heheh, losing casuals to win the tournament.

Playing to win by not playing to win?

[Dark_Geese]

Yeah, I guess if skilled people were all Go Hard players then every match, even casuals, would be high quality matches.

But I guess your options were a bit unbalanced. After all, a sandbagging player CAN go hard if the situation calls for it. So you’re giving the choice between “everything” versus “only one thing”.

This is true. However I have met those that only believe only playing all out all the time…but a sandbagging player is more versatile…they can go all out if they want to…

And for those wondering when I go all out…if I lose more than 3 matches in a row, then I start turning it up. (In regular casuals)

If it’s prior to a tournament I don’t care how many casual matches I lose, I WANT my enemy to get prideful and think they got me figured out…that’s the worse mistake they could make.

Also yes, losing casuals to win the tournament works when you are dealing with very skilled players with different styles and you need to get EXPOSED to them as quickly as possible in a short time AT THE TOURNAMENT.