Quiet evo, Japan is the best at KOF and furthermore at everything in the entire world.
I know this is true cause’ I think the Japs are awesome.
Yeah, Mexico has a different style - a style that is based on less knowledge, less reaction and less reading ability. You can try to use your same argument when comparing Japan and the US in SF but does it fly? No and neither does it work here.
Actually, overall I’d say that in matches, Japan has pulled off harder combos and in more demanding situations. And I didn’t say anything about japan turtling.
It’s a style issue DUE to lack of knowledge, as I said.
When I say Japanese turtle, I don’t mean extreme turtling like a Guile player from SF.
Dammit, it’s KOF. :annoy:
lol, I can’t believe this was done
mexico is not that into gaming like everybody may think. Emil just bases everything in what he sees on youtube but I don’t think the best of mexico is even shown in the internet. Most people just play the game for fun. They don’t care for tournaments, money much less travel miles just to play a game or play online.
I won’t say either that mexico can beat japan/asia. japan seem very solid at their game is like they know the game from in and out. countries like these take/look/consider gaming more seriously than the rest of the world in my opinion that’s why they’re the best at their game
mexico is still stuck with heavy old thinking filosophies
Yeah why this thread won’t succeed is because there will never come an answer until a tournament decides the winner. Some of the best of Mexico are shown on the internet depending on the game, like Osmani, Kula, Luis Cha, Bart, Abraham, Winnie, Esteban, Khannibal, Alexis, Hugo and other top players are shown, but I can agree, there are a lot of other top players in Mexico (or even High MID) that don’t get internet time (See Kane9999 and Rodo hence I made sure they did!).
When you talk 2002, Mexico takes it very very seriously, other than that the hotspots for the other games depend on location in Mexico. KOFXII? Try Mexico City. 98? Try Mexico City. KOFXI? Juarez, Monterrey, Torreon, Mexicali, Mexico City, Guadalajara. 2002? Pretty much all of Mexico.
Also when it comes to travel, I know A LOT of Mexicans that would love to travel the world to play, but just don’t have the money to do so.
Plus you have to excuse Emil- If he never sees anything in person then he lacks that perspective, so just look at it like someone who doesn’t know any better in that regard. It makes it an elementary argument.
Not necessarily. I’ve talked to Lecter and other people who are big on the mexico scene and if there really was someone better than Abraham and those guys, someone would have known about it and spread the word. The best players in Mexico just happen to be the ones that are on youtube so much, taking part in tournaments.
That said, there are some cases in which the best player might not join tournaments. I was informed that the best player in kof2k2 in Japan, named Ugushi, does not like to be recorded and doesn’t join tournaments. However…atleast in his case, people in Japan KNOW that he exists and acknowledge him as the best.
This is my point precisely, Ugushi does not like to be recorded…1up told me that like 2-3 months ago…also it depends on the game Emil.
In 2002, Yes it’s pretty much decided that Osmani is #1 in Mexico (Overall) in KOF 2002. BUT, In KOFXI, it’s a tossup between:
1.Vegar and those better than him in Mexicali
2. Kane9999 and Rodo (Now even in CD. Juarez in KOFXI I last heard a few days ago)
3.Taekua in Monterrey, Mexico
4. Kula in Puebla, Mexico
How many videos of these players have you all seen on youtube??? Ahhhh that’s right not many…and if I hadn’t been travelling to Juarez that much you wouldnt know who Kane9999 and Rodo are…
This Mexico/South America vs Japan/China stuff has been going on for a decade. Really, if Mexico/South America was world dominant in KOF, we’d know by now. Are they really good? yes, but do they have the very best players? no. I think we all just like to see a underdog story come true.
I just don’t see anything from asia that is world’s beyond what the mexicans do…it isn’t a situation of someone like kuroda and wong in 3s but rather something like john choi and valle…different styles but overall even level. I mean I could make the argument that the turtling style of the asians represents there lack of knowledge on offensive intiatives and how to attack but I understand it is just there style.
Well heres my 2 cents l haven’t been in to the whole kof scene for awhile now due to another game but anyways there is no such world as better in my book l think that japan tawian , mexico china etc… they al have sometime to offer in kof based on how they play reach wat minegames they play so tawian could be better at kof but it could change like dg stated. And we really can;t base on how good they are just on youtube vids We would have to see a huge exbiton of the best in the world which will never happen . Bcu u need money sponsors and some people just will not travel.
Decided by who? I thought it was accepted that Abraham is the best and I definitely see why he is.
I haven’t heard of hte other guys but these guys are really average man. If this is some of the best Mexico has to offer than it’s pretty easy to see why Japan and Taiwan would be better in XI.
Well, as I said before, they don’t have a turtle style at all. Also, more rushdown doesn’t mean better rushdown.
Nope, I just talked to people down there and I asked as of 2 weeks ago during the 2002 tournament who is the CURRENT #1 player in Mexico right now, Kane9999, Alexis, Joelle, and others I have talked to have told me it’s Osmani. Though Osmani has lost to Luis Cha in some recent tournaments, he’s still overall ranked #1 as he’s won the most tournaments.
#2- You contradict yourself on so many levels plus you havent even seen 95% of those players so how can you say they are average??? I dont think anyone at NDP 2009 would consider Kane9999 an “average KOFXI player.” Why dont you ask the people that were actually there? I’m sure most of them have seen all the KOFXI vids you have Emil, but they have also seen Kane9999 in person, and him and Rodo are the ONLY ones you’ve seen on video!!! That’s something you lack Emil, you go off youtube videos and online but you have NO CLUE about the in person aspect. Thats what makes your argument weak. You try to formulate and hypothesize matchups based on videos and it DOESNT WORK THAT WAY. It has to happen in person, MATCHUPS AND ADJUSTMENT DETERMINE THE WINNER. (Weren’t you one of the ones saying I was playing Random Mexicans in Juarez? LOL. You need to just be quiet Emil.)
How do we know the Japanese/Asians are the best? Just because they travel and the South American’s don’t?? The Japanese get a better rapport because of SBO and how much they travel. But does it mean they are the best? No. We have to see in person to make any definitive conclusions.
Bottom line is it has to happen in person, and it could happen, but one involving all countries is quite a stretch, but I’m taking it one step at a time, and that’s all I can really tell you guys.
Matter of fact as further proof I am working on my Master Plan:
Well firstly, I believe that it is Kula who has won the most tournaments but even so, the amount of tournaments doesn’t decide who is the best. Has Kuroda won the most tournaments? Has Ugushi? Your view is pretty narrow.
What contradictions? They are average in terms of gameplay displayed from the I don’t know, 50 videos I saw of them (not as much of Rudo but still obvious enough).
Ugh, we went over this…through some repeated examination of their gameplay, you can see who has a more developed gameplay, who knows how to counter more things, who has more innovation and imagination, who has the better mindgames, who has the better execution.
Tell me this…let’s take this obvious example. If you watched a bunch of Japan vs. Japan 3S videos (say, of Kuroda, Hayao, MOV, Daigo, RX, etcetc) as well as a bunch of US vs. US 3S videos(say of Ricky Ortiz, Justin Wong, Sextaro, Pyrolee, Hsien Cheng, etc etc), are you telling me that you would be unable to determine which country is the best until you saw some Japan vs. US 3S videos? Better yet, what if the US team was just a bunch of randoms? If you can’t determine which country is better, then it’s pretty clear your ability to analyze videos and put yourself into the mind of the players, is extremely lacking.
You just don’t get it…examining gameplay doesn’t cut it, esp with someone like me that actually is there running tournaments and sees this stuff firsthand.
About everything else, what you say doesnt matter because you STILL DONT GET IT- ITS ABOUT MATCHUPS…So who looks better on camera doesnt tell you whos gonna win the match if the two matchup…THATS WHERE YOUR ARGUMENT CAN’T ANSWER!!!
You make it black and white and it isn’t black and white- IT’S GRAY.
Also there you go analyzing videos about a game you dont know-KOFXI. It still doesn’t take into account HOW THEY WOULD MATCHUP against others…because many see Mr. KOF play on film and say he’s average…but thats not what wins…its how people ADAPT that determines victory. Thats hard to measure on videos alone.
If I stayed at home like you all the time Emil, I’d think just like you. But ever since actually seeing this stuff in person, I have a perspective neither you or many like you don’t have… If you dont get that now you NEVER WILL…We can’t have this discussion until you get out of your house…which you never will so why are we bothering?
My example- if you go on videos alone- You’d say Kane9999 would destroy Mr. KOF in KOFXI. But that’s not what happened…See he (Kane9999) put him (Mr. KOF) in Losers Finals convincingly 3-0, but Mr. KOF adapted very well to push it and win Grand Finals. But like you Emil, watching match videos WOULDNT TELL YOU THAT WOULD IT???
Now to let you know, on film Dakou and Xiaohai IMO LOOK AVERAGE in 2k2UM I saw nothing godlike about their play or anything I couldnt do myself RIGHT NOW, (So while others rated that vid of Dakou vs. Xiaohai 12 5star youtube ratings and said it was godlike in the comments I didnt…) but do I think they are average?? NO…I KNOW BETTER…Its the INTANGIBLES that make them that good…not WHAT YOU SEE ON VIDEOS.
I could also say Chris Hu looked very average in 98UM on film and in person based off EVO when you say he’s SUCH A GOOD KOF PLAYER…
This is a horrible argument. If this kind of mentality was even remotely feasible, then Justin Wong and the US players would’ve just had to look at videos of Japan playing SF4 before going to SBO to decide if they had a chance of winning. If everybody else had your mentality, we wouldn’t even have people going to EVO. Everybody would just analyze videos of people playing with local top players to determine who is the best in the US at anything. Booooooring.
You know what though…this is what happens…IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL. It’s called the BULLSHIT CHAMPIONSHIP SERIES.
One of the reasons its BS is because just because of your birthright (aka being a top player/team in a top country/conference) you’re given the top ranking over other schools that have proven they can hang with the top dawgs even though they are unknown.
I mean cmon look at Boise St beating OU, UTEP beating UH, Texas Tech beating Texas last year, Utah beating Alabama last year, and SOOOOOOOOOOOO many others throughout the years that prove one thing- THE ONLY WAY TO BE CERTAIN IS FOR PEOPLE TO PLAY IT OUT.
Another reason the BCS is BS is because PEOPLE VOTE on the top schools instead of letting their records and letting them play it out in the end…
This applied here would be the ECS- Emil Championship Series where anyone from Japan immediately gets a top 10 ranking. 
Darkgeese just ignore Emil. He’s part of the MURICAS where they love to suck on that Japanese cock till their throats are sore. Then they ask for more of that greatness that is DAIGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
I just wanted to say that Peru is really strong at 2k2, some months ago Salado and someone else (I think he was called Javier?) beat Brazil’s very best players, Buchecha and Kabecinha in a long ass series of matches.
They were planning to go to Mexico too to fight the best players there, I don’t know how did that go.
Online video’s alone cannot do someone real justice, I mean I didn’t really think KO’s yun was intially that great since it just looked like most high level yun’s…it’s these kind of misconceptions tha reviewing “only” online matches can bring.