You are giving Claw’s Izuna grab/FBA wayyyy too much credit. I know how to abuse every last frame of those moves and make it ‘slide’ through the opponents if they are even 1 frame early with their TU but it ultimately has to depend on if the Sagat player decides who wins. FBA has less priority than TU and the izuna grab comes out slower than TU. So its all up to the Sagat player to make mistakes and its very hard on Claw’s end to create a stable situation for such a guessing game and even then the chances of you getting away with anything is less than 30% if you have a competent opponent. Plus Sagat has a magical anti air that works on almost all occations on Claw…Its called close MP.
Sagat is prime candidate for Izuna Vortex because he has such a massive frame it even says 10/10 matchup on the barcelona effectiveness thread. Look it up. I’ve never had the Close MP punishment but I guess Sagat players vary.
That or I am giving Izuna too much credit and clearly don’t know what I’m talking about despite losing count the amount of Sagat players I’ve vortexed over the past few days.
Also…Sagat player deciding who wins? Does that mean every Sagat player I’ve beaten CHOSE to lose?
- Chun Li: She beats everything I do in the air, and her pokes are all better than mine. I find it extremely difficult to get in on her with her fat ass legs
- Good rushdown Balrogs though I’m getting a lot better with this matchup.
- Blanka just pisses me off.
- I don’t like dealing with Akumas who know his vortex down cold.
I know your pain with Chunners, Blanka and Balrog.
They’ve recently become my epic headaches of the week. Chunners has a lot of priority over Vega it seems.
I have a special hard time fighting Blanka. If I had played, let’s say, 100 matches against Blanka players, I would have won 10 at MOST. It’s for sure my worst matchup, I simply don’t know what the hell to do against him.
I find Balrog one of my easiest matchups, you just have to space him properly and be VERY concentrated so every time they do a dash punch you just do s.HK if he’s not very close, and that’s it.
lets see… blanka of course, zangief, fagat, really good dhalsims, balrog.
Its true that landing a Izuna drop on Sagat is easier than most characters because hes so huge but… what you failed to realize is that not everyone has bad timing. If you’re talking about online sure… the lag will screw it up, but in the real game at the arcades you go no lagg to cover your ass. Izuna drop does not grab uppers out right, it dodges the TU hitbox long enough for the Izuna to activate and therefore gives you the illusion that it grabs TU. Thats why EX Izuna is great for those who know how to use it because the range is long enough to bullshit your way out of most auto corrects if you anticipate it. But there will always be that 1 frame where TU is sure hit should Claw go in for Izuna. If you wall fake, you’ll get shot.
And I think I worded my point wrongly, what I mean about Sagat deciding the match is that he has to make the mistakes inorder for you to win. Even with mistakes he makes you have very little time to decide what to do. Any later you’ll get slamed then rushed again. Everything Sagat does beats everything Claw does. Claw can only pray for small openings to do some damage or a possible ultra if Sagat gets too tiger shot happy.
edit: But Izuna does outright grab EX TU for some gay reason, like Abel being able to grab EX stuff but not normal but his EX grab makes it opposite. Can’t complain too much though, Claw needs all he can get.
And to be fair, getting out of Izuna loops is not braindead easy. But hitting claw out of a Izuna outside of the loops is braindead ez. I’ve played many Sagats that can mash the TU and magically hit me out with little to no effort.
To be honest, I find Sagat a much easier opponent than what you’re making out, but everyone has their different playstyles. It seems like you’re having the opinion of Vega that I used to have “He gets hit out of everything, he’s too weak to go head on with Sagat, the Sagat player needs to make mistakes otherwise I can’t win.” Seriously if you read your opponent it gets so much easier.
He’s probably my favourite matchup along with Bison being a close second because they’re all so predictable.
My only gripe is lag. I think lag screws with everyone’s game though because your muscle memory knows when to hit what in certain situations and the lag just goes “Nuh uh” and screws you over.
In other news, Balrog, despite being a pain, thanks to something Miss Darkness said to me yesterday, I’m finding him a bit easier. Spacing a Standing HK works wonders on the dashy ones.
in the end,if you can izuna well the matchup is 6:4.if you’re going to rely on vega’s footsies the matchup is 7:3.its like the developers want vega to win using izuna drops,cause by using the proper normals sagat can out prioritize your pokes.(which is ****ing crazy!)so in the end,you got to overcome your fear of being hit out of an izuna drop to face sagat.
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Chun Li
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What did Miss Darkness say to you?! You must tell us!!
Also, I find Zangief to be an easy matchup for me. I’m happy when I see Zangief as my opponent. That big lug can’t catch me 95% of the time.
XD she just said that with Balrog you really need to watch your spacing and Standing Heavy kick works very well against his dash punches. Which after trying it out because I honestly never know what to do against the guy, found that it works really nicely, but I still have an issue of timing it, I’ll get it eventually since I use training mode’s playback to start looking for visual cues of when to do it (It’s how I learned to Izuna vortex aswell by setting up recordings of the typical ryu/ken/Sagat combos).
I find Zangief easy aswell, just never try to get uber close otherwise he kills you in the face XD, dashing back and doing the Standing HK after they lariet works in an amusing manner because I noticed about 95% of 'giefs love pushing out their lariets.
Well, when you play opponents that shut you down perfectly 4 times in row you tend to lose confidence. I do use it and get some good results from time to time, but its too dependant on Sagat’s side. Doesn’t matter if you have all the skills in the world with Claw, the matter of fact is he has no real safe options. Japs declared this match up 7:3 for a reason you know.
@Francys Pai You know… I’m not psychic. No one is. Not every Sagat in the world uses a conventional flow chart you know. If you talk about people throwing stuff mindlessly predictable then yes… I pick it up and do wonders. They do random predictable Tiger kness and I can air grab them. They don’t know how to TU my izuna I’ll looop em to death.
If they do weak links that end with specials too far away I can use Ultra to reversal them. But against informed opponents, I’m more than sure that you’ll be brainwrecked.
kei_kun:
"Its true that landing a Izuna drop on Sagat is easier than most characters because hes so huge but… what you failed to realize is that not everyone has bad timing. If you’re talking about online sure… the lag will screw it up, but in the real game at the arcades you go no lagg to cover your ass. Izuna drop does not grab uppers out right, it dodges the TU hitbox long enough for the Izuna to activate and therefore gives you the illusion that it grabs TU. Thats why EX Izuna is great for those who know how to use it because the range is long enough to bullshit your way out of most auto corrects if you anticipate it. But there will always be that 1 frame where TU is sure hit should Claw go in for Izuna. If you wall fake, you’ll get shot.
And I think I worded my point wrongly, what I mean about Sagat deciding the match is that he has to make the mistakes inorder for you to win. Even with mistakes he makes you have very little time to decide what to do. Any later you’ll get slamed then rushed again. Everything Sagat does beats everything Claw does. Claw can only pray for small openings to do some damage or a possible ultra if Sagat gets too tiger shot happy.
edit: But Izuna does outright grab EX TU for some gay reason, like Abel being able to grab EX stuff but not normal but his EX grab makes it opposite. Can’t complain too much though, Claw needs all he can get.
And to be fair, getting out of Izuna loops is not braindead easy. But hitting claw out of a Izuna outside of the loops is braindead ez. I’ve played many Sagats that can mash the TU and magically hit me out with little to no effort."
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Though this sagat isn’t good as the first, he’s still a very good sagat.
Honda and Zangief probably give me the most trouble. I’d say mostly because I get impatient and do something stupid instead of sitting on a lead or waiting for a mistake.
Balrog and Blanka mostly. Though I still struggle against a good Guile or Chun-li sometimes.
Lol you and I have very similar names. I guess the matches that give me the most trouble are Dictator, Sagat, and on occasion a well played Dhalsim. Sometimes I really have difficulty getting in on that fucker.
The first Sagat didn’t seem to know the match up too well. He fails to reversal after Claw’s jump fierces. Jump fierce punch–>cl. fierce is not safe on block. Theres room for TU reversal. And his slide under TK is not safe, Claw recovers after Sagat, he made a mistake (sagat). And there should be no reason under a tiger lock for Claw to have a chance of jumping. Dwn light kicks will shut it if timed properly. And he didn’t even react to the izuna loop except for that 1 TU but got grabbed (gotta admit that was impressive tho, such a low grab).
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honda
blanka
gouken
Vega
Gen
Gouken
Sakura
C.Viper
Akuma
Akuma because he’s a runaway motherfucker and the rest because no one plays them online so when i finally play one i get stomped due to lack of experience.