Yup. I think Hugo is just too derpy in this game. Oh yeah Eternal Blaze I can see what you mean by Cammy as well, she got same side j.lk jump ins from the exact same distance/setup as her j.lk crossup, looked like Adon’s j.mk in Super. EDIT*the problem with that is that this can be setup by the s.lp pressure, which is a 3f normal and a true blockstring that also doubles as a frametrap
I don’t think Poison can handle certain match ups too well in this game, at least not even close to the same amount of effort of some characters. And nope, I’m not even losing that much, my wins are too high even, to the point it annoys me a little. But I am facing some really nasty Hugo play. I’ll still try don’t get me wrong, but we’ll need some tech. I’m using Ryu vs. Hugo players now, that’s a much more manageable match up, I hate how Ryu does absolutely EVERYTHING Poison does but way better. I have nothing against Ryu, but I really want to play Poison competitively. I’m not sure how long I will support this version of the game, especially with SG’s release. But whatever I can do to help you guys I will. o/
I don’t know… I won’t deny that Ryu is pretty OP, but I don’t agree that he does everything Poison does. I think Poison has a lot of potential for some tech that hasn’t been fully explored yet. Her fireball doesn’t go full screen but I think it has some other neat properties that hadoken doesn’t have. EX LMT is something every zoner has to watch out for when facing Poison, it’s such a great way to get in. Poison’s damage is very lacking even when she uses meter, but I think she really shines in the neutral game, and she has some great oki options to make up for her lack of damage. She still needs some time, but IMO she’s definitely not bad or a worse Ryu.
She’s not bad at all. She has decent zoning, pokes, great defensive options and safe pressure. She would probably be top tier in SF4.
Poison’s problem is not her, it’s the game. Issues like gray health recovery and the timer hurt her more than anyone else due to her low damage output. Whatever damage she does on her own is easily mitigated if the guy tags out, and if she gets lamed out into a time out then there’s not really anything she can do unless the guy is throwing fireballs - and even then her damage likely won’t let her finish the job.
I wanted to make her work, but she’s doesn’t need it. She’s not bad, she doesn’t need direct buffs - ok, maybe her overhead - it’s just that whatever tech or combo I come up with won’t make a difference since the system mechanics still works against her. And using her just to get meter for someone to come in and kick ass… is boring as fuck.
I absolutely agree that Ryu has serious merit in this game, but I totally disagree that he outclasses her in every way. Couldn’t be further from the truth, to be perfectly honest.
How doesn’t Ryu outclass her? His gameplay is similar, except he has: Better health, walkspeed, good damage with and without meter, better tag cancels, better anti airs, better normals, better zoning, a good overhead that can lead to a full combo from your partner if you tag out of it, a non cinematic super that does instant damage, a 3f DP…
Poison only has better frame traps, a better grab game and a better backdash, which mean nothing in this game. Oh, and EX LMT. She also has the advantage of not being so overused which leads to everyone knowing the match-up. Aside from that, she’s completely overrun by Ryu in every way imaginable.
^ pretty much what Jamp said is rather true, If Poison gets buffs or changes, it needs to be towards things that will help her fit in with the games mechanics better…like a solid option to extend combos/damage in general, better damage off hit confirms, ect. fixing the overhead…would be a starting point like bringing it back to past builds in giving it a groundbounce(counter hit or juggled) would do wonders…
because the way her special moves are, adding effects to them won’t do too much…EX WoL is just bad due to scaling in the game, EX KBG could get a additional effect(wallbounce) but would it suffer from a damage nerf as well? EX Aeolus is already Good enough, same with EX LMT, the only thing I wish she had was a normal that crumples and make it dash cancelable.
I guess we can expect a balance change sooner or later though~
I’m playing Poison as an anchor to Guile. I think the only thing she really has going for her is EX LMT which is gdlk against zoning and keepaway characters imo. Without it she’s just another “meh” character. Really hope she gets buffs when the rebalance the game. She’s my favorite character in this game aside from old flat top
Dunno guys, Poison’s standing HP is a really far poke, she’s got rekka that can reach people, projectile shield, and better air to air, lmt, she may not be Ryu but she’s got her own shit.
Except Ryu has all the tools he needs to win >_>’ he’s far more solid then Poison in the games current form. Im not dropping her(I can’t, I haven’t invested enough time in any other character to replace her ) nor would i want to, I gotta deal with it until a balance patch rolls around.
I would like to play people with good connections tho >_>’ because my online experience today/yesterday was terrible.
Nah, I don’t think so…I just stick to my guns. If anything i’d think guys like you are much better players then I. Hahaha I’m just stubborn, but I’m not going to lie…It sucks because I know if I was using a character like Ryu, I would be winning alot more often…But in general I need to level up my game >_>’
Jamp, you still play SFxTK or your on the SG hype train with everybody?!?
Yeah, I know how you feel. But I do intend to come back to her if they ever rework the system mechanics. Like I said before, she doesn’t really need buffs, she just needs that the game stops working against her. Sure, match ups like Akuma, Ryu and Raven will still be nightmares, but at least she’ll be perfectly viable.
And I’m not dropping SFxT. Sure, it has some annoying flaws, but overall the game is pretty fun. And I also hope these issues will be fixed sooner or later. I’m focusing on SG right now but I’ll still play it at a competitive level. I’m also eagerly waiting for the DLC characters, Alisa and Christie are just too much fun.
It’s good to hear you’ll “eventually” come back to her~ I really want to play the DLC characters though…because after awhile…the current roster seems small o_O (my friend said the same thing about KOFXIII~) but I also think it’s because i’ve been playing it too much and not SCV(as I have Ranbats today)
I wanted to play SG but I feel like I can’t afford to focus on yet another fighter so i’ll have to skip it because --’ I want to play VF5FS next month too along with SCV, SFxTK and KOFXIII >>’ I need help.
Hey people, new Poison player checking in. Drawn to this character regardless of her weak damage, she is really fun to play as and I’m pairing her up with Lili currently. I’ll try and get some footage up when I get a capture card. Till then
I honestly dont have time to worry about her flaws and how she is outclassed by others. I just know about her weakness and work on protecting them with her strengths. Thats what matters and should be running through my mind. I been doing good so far aginst cheap tatics and broken characters with Lili and posion. It’s all about working with what you got.
) nor would i want to, I gotta deal with it until a balance patch rolls around.