Where is the tournament? In the comics*

Maybe he’ll do the SFZ style Shoryuken Super Art first since they are stuck between SFZ and SF2 in the comic right now and get to the Shin Shoryuken by SF3? GUESSTIMATE! Or maybe he’ll do the Shin Shoryuken very shortly… in the SF vs. Mortal Kombat card game, maybe it will be Ryu’s Fatality move, takes away 300 life points. *“Your Move! Yuuuu-Gi-Ohhh!” *

DoTheMove - Like I said chances are Ryu beat Ken. As for Sagat leaving, Vega(Cape) has too many enemies that would still remain in the tourney no matter what. Guile, Chun-Li, Zangief, Cammy, T.Hawk and Feilong. As for Ken like I said, chances are Ryu defeated him prior but it wouldn’t be the first time people dropped out of an SF Tourney. Oro dropped out of the SF3 Tourney after he defeated Ryu. Ken dropped out of the SF3 Tourney after Ryu lost to Oro. Here you have three of the most powerful fighters in that tourney leaving yet it still continued.

For my tastes you are just a bit too hung up on this. Capcom doesn’t say who won. You are free to imagine whoever and make your own theories instead of trying to convince everyone you have the be all to end all theory and everyone else is smoking crack, kind of doesn’t matter. Even the theory I put down (which I did not make up, that’s been floating around the net for a while now) doesn’t say Ryu did or did not win the SF2 Tourney officially… how can it because no one knows. Even the Plot Guide doesn’t say Guile officially won the Tourney it is yet another theory (made by Saiki who knows more about SF then you and me combined) and the plot guide doesn’t state otherwise. Some people agree with you, some don’t, there’s no need to beat a dead horse when the entire subject is off topic in the first place. Ryu had a hand in defeating an even more powerful version of Vega in SFZ3 and that much is official/fact/canon if it helps.

Uh, no you didn’t. You said:

“Sagat and Ryu fought in a tournament. According to the animated feature, the famous battle between the tiger and dragon of this epic took place in a field. In the movie adaptation, Ryu finishes Sagat with a Hadouken instead.”

You said “according to the animated feature, the famous battle between the tiger and the dragon of this epic took place in a field.” I was clarifying for those that may not know what you’re talking about, that it was in the SFII.

People here really need to chill out. Maybe less fighting games?

If you recall Ryu’s ending from all the SF games, he doesn’t care about titles nor prizes, the fight is all.

Sagat, Ken and many other fighters feel the same way.

Bison and those after him do not, thus you have two very different mindsets at work within the tournament.

Vega can lose quite easily because of his hate even though it’s the source of his power. That doesn’t mean the other fighter won’t pay a price like Adon did but it means he can still be beaten.

For all we know he was winning the fight, was distracted by sensing Gouki’s ki, lost the match and then Gouki killed him immediately afterwards.

Communist! :rofl:

Well Sano put it really well, thats the benefits of doubt that Capcom gave us that has all of us especulation about the biggest fighting game of all time :slight_smile:

It’s good to have liberties and make up or own theories, I mean when I came to the boards for the first time I was afraid some people would bash me because I use the American names for the SF2 bosses, and to be honest I have had bad experiences in other boards (say music, movies…) with purist people that act like freaks, thankfully thats not the case of the SRK community :tup:

Really? People bug me for using the Japanese names of characters a lot. Why do I do that? Simple. I’ve seen the SF2 Animated Movie Fan Subbed and SF2V about a gazillion times before it came out to the US, those are the names that stuck with me. That’s pretty much the same reason that for Dragon Ball Z I say Saiyajin instead of Saiyan, it’s just what I’m used to that’s all, I’ve seen all of DBZ Fan Subbed years before it started airing on TV. I really don’t give a crap what name anyone else uses though so long as I know who you’re talking about.

I’m from Mexico so the translation of DB and DBZ is really accurate and with zero censorship…I almot collapse when I saw an american episode and heard the “other dimension” thing.

About SF2 the animated movie I was also one of the lucky souls to perceibe it in his Japanesse subbed form before the Americanized one, anyway I did that around 1996, and I knew the SF2 arcade when I was like 7 years old on 1991 and had the Super Nintendo games so the American names stuck with me since the very beginning…and I never could manage to say the names and imagine the character in their Japanesse correspondence so I gave up (I think Vega and irremediably think about the Spaniard guy for example):stuck_out_tongue:

Yeah, I played SF2 in the Arcades and the home ports but soon I got tired of all the different SF2 versions(Megaman was my favorite game series at that time. I still love Megaman but no where near as much as I used to. MM made me a Capcom Fanboy first, heh, don’t care for the name Rockman, sounds silly in English). But the SF2 Animated movie really made me the hardcore SF fanatic I am today, I was blown away by it, it’s still one of my favorite Anime Movies of all time. So the names used there in the Japanese sub stick with me more than the actual game after watching it over and over again.

I thought the budgetted Street Fighter Alpha was good too, you being a fanboy of capcom, can you explain to me…how in the world is the movie a sequel of Street Fighter II V -_-*** it’s very impossible, Cammy looks as though she’s about 19/22, and so it’s an alternate universe. There’s no way it’s a sequel. Well, that’s just my thought…Back on topic…

Umm…we’ll see how Udon will make Street Fighter II Tournament, if they skip it, bad idea, if they don’t skip it, we’ll be able to see who they pick to win the tournament and how it turns out.

It is not…Even though I would suggest you disregard II V, there was a part where Ryu hints to the Fei Long battle he has later on. The SFII V has many inconsistancies to throw off Street Fighter story. The first tournament was not even mentioned at all…and yeah, SFA was BUDGETED. That was really a big sidestep into the wrong direction in the story also. Yet again, I correct myself. Anime, Manga, and video games are three different things in Japan…

A sequel to SF2 the Animated movie? Heh, heh, it comes prior, it would be a prequel if anything.

I think the thing to understand about Japan is a lot of the time with Anime they don’t go for strict continuity, they look at is as just a way to tell a story and that’s it. It’s why the director of Macross can say the Movie and the series are the same thing just different formats to tell the story, it’s why Gundam Wing Endless Waltz can say the Mechas always looked… that way, it’s why some can consider the Rurouni Kenshin OVAs prequels and sequels to the Anime or they can see it as alternate (OVA is attached with freedom most of the time) or they can see it as other. George Lucas implies the same type of thinking with his Star Wars prequels, ways of telling a story and not strict continuity. Gisabaru Sugii the director of both SF Animes said he wanted SF2V to flesh out the characters more, nothing about starting over continuity. But the way these things work, it wasn’t popular in Japan, it will never be referenced in another SF Anime, popularity is usually a big factor in determining these things. So you can say it’s not a sequel or prequel at all if you want.

I just thought of an interesting theory…what if there was no winner? Considering the power levels and motives it is entirely possible that the tournament didn’t have an official winner or due to various interruptions and such the top playersdidn’t win so the “winner” was someone lower tier–similar to how Dan & Joe “won” the tourney in CvS while everyone else was preoccupied.

…perhaps. Being the Geese/Bison invite in CVS? We would all expect Ryu since he is the main character as Kyo to King of Fighters prior to K’s arrival. That would be the better theory.

Dan and Joe did win the first CVS1 Tourney. Both of them are joke characters (The Fatal Fury Anime may make you think otherwise but Joe is sort of a joke, sort of again, he’s still the Mue Thai champ even though SNK themselves in SVC MOTM had him loose to Adon in Terry’s ending reinforcing his joke status, he’s not a scrub like Dan though). It’s sort of like how Mr. Satan of Dragon Ball Z wins the tourney, all of the heavy hitters beat up the guys that can kick their Ass and went away doing other stuff, looking for Geese/Vega. Yet we all know what a scrub Mr. Satan is though. I guess… crossovers are even more so up to you on who really won. If I were to take a guestimate for CVS1, I’d guess Ryu and Kyo went after Geese (I think when you do a crossover the other company’s character should be the more important boss, Ryu and Kyo are the more important bosses, plus Geese is more of a Terry Rival and you have to kind of mix it up) and Ken and Terry took on Vega prior. Either or could of faced Gouki afterwards I guess, prolly Ryu and Kyo again(this is sort of a fault of the crossover, having one Capcom Character as the final/true boss, that was kind of lame) As for what about the match ups, usuall crossover stuff. Ryu/Kyo or Terry/Ken fight, they are either interupted, tie, and then decide to work together. Both companies win! Heh, you can see Ryu and Kyo get a classic crossover match up interuption in the SVC Chaos intro.

Geese and Vega sent out invitations to SVC MOTM, not CVS. CVS was arranged by Ken Masters and Robert Garcia. Of all of the crossovers the games that most likely fit together are SVC MOTM and the CVS series. Joe’s joke status are reinforced in both. Vega and Geese swear revenge, and here they are in CVS. From a Gameplay standpoint, with SVC MOTM you could connect your Neo Geo Pocket and send points to CVS1 via a cable connection, and you could send CVS1 points back to SVC MOTM. But I guess that’s really up to you if you feel that way. (I guess if you can’t get over the characters appearing super deformed in SVC MOTM then you would immediatly call it other, but the game is so great I just look past it and imagine everyone anatomically correct). Both of the companies appraoched the crossover differently. SVC MOTM had more of a story but was kind of out there with some of the cast choices. Capcom wanted to make a more realistic crossover, that’s why the only out there character is Morrigan and she’s fairly toned down from her MVC version. SVC Chaos is really seperate from both I feel since no one knows anybody and for some of them this would be at least the third meeting, but they didn’t do something really crazy like bring Rugal back to life (he dies in both CVS2 endings) so if you ignore some of the dialogs I guess you can make a case for it. Really doesn’t matter, crossovers are sort of willy nilly when it comes to canon besides.

More about the SF Animes being… “related” - SF2V sold well in the US so they dubbed the SFZ Anime a sequel to it. But… Ryu and Chun-Li don’t know each other, that’s really not a sequel. At least for anyone trying to connect SF2V and SF2 Animated Movie you have a ten year gap and can imagine the characters remembering each other later on, and for some of the Bios in SF2 AM that don’t match SF2V you could imagine “Y2K bug” if you are really hardcore but you are stretching it at best if you go by strict continuity. But in SFZ Chunners not knowing Ryu to the extent of her having to do Internet research, you’re stretching things even more.

SFZ OVA and SF2 Animated Movie - No word on them being related but I can see them fitting together very easily. In SF2 AM Ryu is supposed to be missing for 3 years, we never saw that looney scientist directly report to Vega so he could of just been keeping things to himself, Ryu wasn’t spotted by that many people. And that weird robot thingy Ryu fought had that same green eye monitor thing the Monitor Cyborg of SF2 AM did. They didn’t really seem to piss on SF2 AM like reinterpreting Ryu’s match with Sagat or anything like that. Sure, the headband thing would be off but everyone gets that wrong anyways. But OVAs in Japan tend to have loose continuity or just plain completly unrelated if anything. Sometimes it’s strange when OVAs are embraced into continuity. Gundam 8th MS Team even though it is an OVA has been embraced as being part of Gundam’s mainstream continuity. But, if the military had that many Gundams, where the Hell was Amaro’s back up? And where were the Newtypes? Okay I realize no one liked Newtypes and they’ll prolly never resurface but still. There’s even a Gundam game that will walk you through the mainstream continuity and eighth MS Team is there.

But in the end, a couple of years ago Capcom sold both the SF2 AM and the SFZ OVA as a package and dubbed it “SF2 AM vs. SFZ” as if you had to decide which was better, instead of billing it as “Prequel and Sequel” or something of that nature. So I guess on paper, the two are not officially related but I myself don’t see to many differences storyline wise between the two. But I guess that’s up to you and however you feel about it.

Sorry, I meant “secret” invites…to their lairs for the final battles(CVS only)…Did Ken/Robert fund CVS 1 also? and I loved SVC MOTM…might get a NeoGeo Color just for that title…Shame that Capcom could not totally follow suit with the realistic format they sought. FF/KOF/SF restrict would make more sense in this matter.

If you mean did Ken/Robert fund CVS2, yeah, and there was a Million dollar prize ticket. Sadly that money went back into rebuilding Japan no matter who won. Yeah, Capcom could not leave out Morrigan at that point, there was a huge Morrigan outrage for her in the game, everyone wanted her there. For Nakaruru and Haohmaru a Capcom rep explained them being in the game by saying that they are immortal due to their strong Samurai Spirits, sort of like business suit wearing Jubei. Okay except for Nakaruru being a God that’s a bit on the silly side but that’s what you get when you try to explain a crossover and even the latest versions of Haoh and Naka (old man and fairy) don’t look like that, but Capcom may have just ignored that 3D Samsho game no one liked anyways… However anything beats time travel. The only game loopy enough to show you beyond a shadow of a doubt that time travel happened was SVC Chaos, even used the Austin Powers Time Travel spiral. Oh well, the game was pretty loopy in parts, it’s kind of fun that way.

And yeah, invite to their lairs for CVS1, that works.