True, but this was said in 2I, instead. What kind of good hearted warrior Ryu would be if he did accept the darkness? No Anakin, I assume.
Where is this “All About Capcom” book?
I would have to say that it is inevitable that Ryu will one day either be as powerful as Gouki or surpass him. Ryu beat the best fighter in the world in Sagat. Gouki thought that Ryu would be the perfect challenge for him back when he was a young man just because he could tap into the Satsui no Hado. Bison wanted Ryu because he can store vast amounts of energy and was thought to be the perfect host body. And I don’t care what the plot guide says, the most likely person to beat Bison in SF2 is not Guile or Chun Li, it is Ryu. Gouki may have killed him, but Ryu is the fighter most likely to have defeated him in the tournament.
By SF3 Ryu has 2 new moves in the Denjiin Hadouken and the Shin Shoryuken, one which is capable of killing a man. Technically Ryu is learning at a faster pace than Gouki. Gouki has been alive much longer than Ryu and has more experience than Ryu, yet he is just now creating new moves. Gouki’s 2 main supers before were a super fireball and a repeating dragon punch. He could have created one of these moves, but the fact that Ryu and Ken use them leads me to believe that they are mandatory Ansatsuken techniques. I don’t count the Shun Goku Satsu because I heard that it is a universal move to Satsui no Hado users, although I could be wrong. The super air fireball is nothing special since we saw Ryu shoot off like 5 air fireballs in the Alpha Movie, which is supposed to be a realistic look at Ryu’s power levels and abilities. This isn’t really a huge factor anyway considering Ryu seems like the kind of guy to do more with less. I mean he nearly killed Sagat with a Dragon Punch.
Ryu is now (apparantly) selected by Oro, one of the most powerful fighters alive, to be the one man he passes on his martial arts style to before he dies. Ryu even says to Gouki in Third Strike: Satsui no Hado is not the way(At least in the English version), implying either that Ryu does not need it to fight him, or that he has another way to fight Gouki. From Oro Ryu could learn a lot like how to prolong one’s life, telekenesis, and how to throw a friggin’ spirit bomb. (Although I’m sure Ryu doesn’t need help with throwing ki projectiles) In short, if anyone has the ability to defeat Gouki, it is Ryu. At least in my opinion. It should still be the hardest fight of Ryu’s life and strangely I wouldn’t mind if both died in the battle, that way both could experience the greatest challenge of their lives and the Satsui no Hado could die off. Bringing about the end of the Evil/Shin characters.
Right it was SI where Ryu said that to Gouki. My bad. I think the equivalent of Ryu giving in to SNH by SF4 would be like the equivalent of Luke Skywalker giving into the Dark Side and going after Princess Leia’s kids… or Rurouni Kenshin’s Himura Kenshin becoming the Hitokiri Batousai and going after his son Kenji… there’s a certain time and place where these things should happen in storylines IMHO and if it doesn’t occur at that point the oppurtunity should be lost forever methinks. But, he can be SNH Ryu all he wants in out of continuity vs. (MVC, CVS, Namco x Capcom) games much like Sakura can remain frozen at 16 in all of those games, doesn’t matter since they ain’t canon.
The All About Capcom books are a series of books that contain all of the official storyline information from Capcom games. They also have books on SNK games and a few others. The really big one for Capcom is the one we on the net refer to as AAC for short but it’s title goes something like “All About Capcom Head to Head Fighting Game 1987-2000” - and it features every Fighter through that time period with the exception of Rival Schools 2, SF Ex 3 and the CVS series, those games either came out at the same time as the book or after. The games themselves have seperate All About Books to like “All About SFZ1” for example. There’s only one book for SF3 called something like “All About SF3 NG The Fighting Bible” and “AAC” raps up the other 2 SF3 games. All of these books contain text in straight up Japanese though.
Well mostly all the info but they have a lot nevertheless. :karate:
Wow, where did all this come from, lol, Ken wasn’t in the first tournament, he was just there to be second player. At least that is what I read. But, I just remembered, if they could back story issue the first tournament for about 3 issues, that would be explain the previous events, I just realized that they are in Alpha mode, right before Street Fighter II. Not before the first tournament hosted by Sagat. So, they’ve already past the first tournament is what I’m saying, and they’re going into the second one. Looks like we’ll see the epic battle between Rose and Bison :). I mean why do the first tournament when the second one started it all?
Akuma is evil, good prevails evil, but in this case, nahhh. Because Akuma learned the ‘Dark Hadou’ and gave into it, he has more strength.
The thing is, Ryu won the first tournament, and if you read, Bison was a lot weaker after the Alpha series, because of the fusion with Rose or something that’s not so clear. What does Ryu have that he has such a determination to kill Bison in SF2? At least from what I know, nothing. What was Chun-Li’s point of joining the tournament? To revenge her father for Bison killing him. The point is, Chun Li had more determination to kill him, although I think what happens is that Bison does indeed fight her and wins, but since Chun Li did a good amount of damage, Gouki jumped in and killed him. But that’s just my point of view.
So…back to the topic again…I’m hoping they don’t skip the epic second tournament.
True on Chun Li’s intent, along with the Interpol scheme. Ryu only wanted to search for competition and further himself, which is determination enough, from my standpoint.
Sano, it is time to educate…because from what I know, Chun Li did bring down the “organization”(Urien, SFIII:TS). Wasn’t Ryu the victor between him and Bison (SF2)? or was there something I missed chronologically? Which will lead to my next question: what come first? SFA3 or SF2?
Uh oh, not the who won the SF2 Tourney discussion again. 
Capcom has never stated who won the SF2 Tourney or anything that happened in that Tourney except for the fact that Gouki killed Vega(M.Bison in the US) with a Shun Goku Satsu and Ryu and Sagat did not fight in the tourney for some reason. Now weither or not someone beat up Vega before Gouki did this or Gouki just defeated him is unknown.
Urien credits Chun-Li with bringing down the Organization so it makes her one of the leading candidates to have been one of the people that may have defeated Vega. However, there are a bunch of ways she could of brought down Shadowloo without defeating Vega. In her SF2 Revival ending she tells her father’s grave that her fight is still not over. She might of had a hand in systematically taken down Shadowloo (beating flunkies with her ‘Powerful Legs’) as opposed to actually defeating Vega before Gouki killed him. But she might of defeated him too.
Guile is another candidate. Most of the endings in SF2 can happen in some shape/size/form without the character defeating Vega except for Guile, his ending has to happen so he can get over his desire for killing Vega and go back to his family, and Capcom states he is back with his family.
Ryu is yet another candidate. Mostly because pretty much every main SF2 drawing has him as the star of SF2 as do mangas and animes and so on and so on. However, Ryu not fighting Sagat before fighting Vega makes him fighting Vega sort of iffy because you have to fight Sagat first, there’s no way Sagat would turn down this match. The leading theory is that Ryu sensed Gouki’s Ki during the tourney, he dropped out and went to look for him. Chances are he beat Ken before this since he told Ken in SF3 he has a better win record between the too. So Ken would have his win in SFZ2, Ryu would have his win in SF2 and perhaps some more wins prior. And Ryu beat Ken in Third Strike. He might of defeated Dhalsim too since he tells Necro in SF3 something like his stretching doesn’t surprise him, he used to beat a man from India so he would of beaten Dhalsim at some point during the SFZ series and again in SF2 I’m assuming since “beat” means more than once. After Ryu left the theory goes, Sagat dropped out as well (with Ryu no longer in the tourney there’s no reason for him to continue) clearing the way for Guile or Chun-Li to face Vega. And Ryu would have taken out Ken already so he’s out. But that’s a theory anyways.
And the last candidate I guess is Gouki who randomly jumped in and killed Vega and if he did this before anyone reached him, there you go. He prolly wasn’t registered for the tourney or anything though, just Shun Goku Satsu’ed the poor villain oooh…
But in the end all of it is heresay because Capcom doesn’t say who won the SF2 Tourney. It’s up to you to decide I guess.
SFA2 comes before SFA3.
And SF2 happens 3 years after SFA3/SFZ3.
In third strike Ryu had 3 new moves not 2.
1 Dejin Hadouken
2 Shin Shoryuken
3 Joudan Sokutou Geri
I don’t think you have to had a love one kill to gain determination for reachin M.Bison on the SF2 tournament, specially if we’re talking about Ryu and his desire of fighting worthy oponents. IMO thats enough determination for Ryu to reach the Finals and defeat the host (M.Bison) even if he doens’t care about the winner’s price and champion fame.
I agree that Guile and Chun-Li (altough for bringing down Shadaloo she doesn’t have to necesary defeat Bison for herself, someone could just have done that before) are the most likely candidates to have win SF2 for logical reasons, and I tend to believe despite that Capcom fears to aknowledge that Chun-Li or Guile won bacause the avarege SF2 fan idolizes Ryu and picture him as the absolute champion so they prefer to leave that winning situation ambiguous.
Chun Li or Guile may have had the determination to kill Bison, but the skill? That’s open to debate. Bison may have been less powerful in SF2, but considering it took like 15 people to take him down in SFA3 that doesn’t mean anything. He should still be the most powerful person in the tournament.
Guile and Chun Li strike me as being far too emotional to fight a master of the mindgame in Bison. I think Guile going after Bison would be similar to the Anime. He would try and try, but in the end he just doesn’t have the juice or the mindset to fight Bison. After all Guile is supposedly not as good as Nash and he’s dead. Chun Li is potentially even more scarred than Guile as she was so young when her father died. She might last longer than Guile, but again she is too emotional and can’t compare to his power. Guile’s desire for revenge could be fulfilled by watching Gouki kill Bison. Chun Li’s investigations as a member of interpol could be responsible for bringing down the Shadowloo empire, without actually having to fight Bison either.
Ryu is there strictly to find the greatest challenge of his life. We also know that he has the ability to summon forth ungodly amounts of power when the need arises. Ryu may not have much against Bison personally, but ultimately his desire to fight is as strong as Guile or Chun Li’s desire for revenge. And as Ryu is basically the main character of the series and lives just to fight he strikes me as having more skill than either Guile or Chun Li. Guile has his military career and a family. Chun Li has her interpol career. Ryu only has the fight.
As far as the Sagat question goes we saw by Alpha 3 that he was done with Bison’s BS. Maybe he decided at the last moment that he wouldn’t align himself with Bison’s plans and dropped out of the tournament for honor’s sake. Sagat wants that fight with Ryu, but maybe he wanted that fight on his own terms, and not in Bison’s tournament. Of course he could have also realized he was too old for this S*** and moved to Hawaii.
Compared to supermoves not many consider the Joudan Sokutou Geri A.K.A. the “Donkey Kick” to be a new move. I always lumped that in with the directional normals like the collarbone-splitter, Hop Kick, and the Dash Punch. Granted it does 4 times as much damage as any of these, but it is still a fairly “normal” looking move. But good point, I completely forgot about it.
It also seems to make a lot of sense to me that Gouki would interupt Ryu’s fight with Bison. Gouki would see Ryu fighting an incredibly powerful fighter without the use of his Satsui No Hado. This would probably piss off Gouki who wants a battle with Evil Ryu more than anything else. He would see the one thing he wants more than anything else slipping through his fingers and decide to make his presence felt. To prove his point after the fight or during it he teleports in out of nowhere and kills Bison right in front of Ryu. In this way Gouki reminds Ryu what is waiting for him and displays the overwhealming power of the Satsui No Hado and how it can destroy even a master of the Psycho Power with ease. In my mind this would be Gouki’s last attempt to goad Ryu into embracing the Satsui No Hado.
I couldn’t say it better, thats alot of how I see the Bison/Akuma thing…imagine that adepted on anime or the UDON SF comic, like the ultimate provocation from Akuma to Ryu and a falling Bison on the scene.
Damn right!I get completely insulted when people mention chun -Li or Guile.to think either one of these characters could kill a badass like Bison is bullcrap.Ryu and maybe Sagat are the only two that could take Bison,and I believe Ryu was the man for that.Bison was stronger than charlie,and Charlie is leagues above Guile. Ryu beat him,Akuma FINISHED him.
Bravo bravo, I really like that theory. I still don’t think Ryu fought against Bison, although the anime does suggest that they always fought, I think they just did that because Ryu’s really popular among people, and what better way to milk some money? But the theory that sano wrote, I really like that one because if Ryu already won the first tournament, why would Capcom want to make him win the second tournament? The silly thing could’ve happened is that Bison senses Ryu and Gouki fighting, and he’s fighting Chun Li or Guile and says “Oh you win the tournament, someone stronger than you is out there and I could beat you with one punch” Yeah…Still I would say that Ryu didn’t win the second tournament because the theory of him dropping out to find Gouki 
I like that theory :tup: Good job sano!
Couple of things…
-Ryu has a version of the Shin Shoryuken in Z3, not the final version he has in SF3 but an earlier variation of it. So yes he does develop more moves as he goes on. The difference is that Ken’s new moves tend to stand out as being very different from the original moveset while Ryu is simply strengthing the traditional moves.
-Regarding weaker fighters beating stronger fighters, that happens a lot in the SF verse. Example Adon defeats Sagat but pays a high price for doing so. It’s entirely possible for either Chunli or Guile to have beaten Bison’s second, weaker form. It’s also possible that Gouki jumped in and killed him before Bison fought anyone but not likely as we never see any evidence that anyone but Ryu and Ken know of Gouki. If Guile had been robbed of his revenge against Bison by Gouki, I’m pretty sure we would have seen something come of it by now.
Adon beat Sagat because Sagat was royaly screwed up in the head, and in all likelyhood possibly still injured from his fight with Ryu.
Again, Bison may not be as strong as he was in SFA3, but he is still the most powerful person in SF2. People can beat more powerful opponents when the more Powerful Person is deeply troubled about something, giving the weaker person the advantage.
Example:
Adon beat Sagat because Sagat was dealing with his defeat by Ryu.
Ken beat Ryu because Ryu was preoccupied with the growing influence of the Satsui no Hadou.
This does not explain how the much weaker Guile or Chun Li could beat Bison. Guile and Chun Li are still out of sorts because of their hatred of Bison. That gives Bison the advantage over them combined with his already higher power levels. And Guile could completely be satisfied by seeing Bison get killed by Gouki. Do you think September 11th survivors will be pissed that they don’t get to take down Osama themselves? No, they would just be happy because the threat was eliminated. And as a side note Capcom probably doesn’t care enough about Guile to continue his story anyway. He was supposed to be designed as a mediocre character for American fans to use. Saying that Chun Li or Guile could defeat a stronger Bison because everyone has an off day is nothing but a cop out. I’d prefer that Bison trounced Guile and then Gouki sniped his ass just because he could.
Gouki will not just randomly attack people anyway. Gouki is not really an evil man, he merely wants to fight the strongest opponents possible and believes that a real fight can only end with the death of one’s opponent. There had to be a reason for Gouki to attack Bison. The 2 had never met previously, so most likely Gouki killed Bison to get Ryu’s attention since Ryu was at the tournament.
The theory that Ryu left the tournament doesn’t seem to wash for me because by SF2 Ryu has just recently decided to abandon the Satsui No Hado. Even if he did sense Gouki there would really be nothing he could do to him at this point. Ryu wants to make himself stronger by going out and fighting as many different people as possible. Since he and Bison never got to finish their fight in SFA3 it seems that Ryu would want to fight him before fighting Gouki, who he knows he is no match for at this point.
And I am pretty sure Ryu’s Level 3 Dragon Punch super was the “Metsu Shoryuken”. You only got the Shin Shoryuken when you landed it from Maximum distance, which as I remember was damn near impossible in a real match. On a side not the SF3 Shin Shoryuken lookes painful as all hell, but the SFA3 Shin Shoryuken looked pretty slick with that rushing elbow in front of it. Always thought the rushing elbow was a kickass replacement for the dash punch.
Meh…Level 3 Super Hurricane did more damage anyway.
Totally agree, good reasoning about Ryu possibly winning SF2 over Guile and Chun-Li. Im not a Ryu fanboy by any means (being Ken and Vega (Spaniard) my fav characters) but thats pretty much the story I think it fits better on the SF2 thing.
Basically my whole issue with the “Ryu left the tournament in pursuit of Gouki” theory is this:
Ryu is the reigning Street Fighter Champion. Sagat is the former Street Fighter Champion. Ken is nearly equal to Ryu in terms of skill and power.
If Ryu leaves the tournament then inevitably Sagat loses interest in the tournament and he leaves too. If Ryu leaves the tournament then Ken will most likely also leave the tournament, since he is there to renew his rivalry with Ryu. If this happens the whole tournament is basically a bust.
Sagat is the former Champion and a world renowned Muy Thai Champ. Ken is the US Martial Arts Champion. Ryu is the returning Champion and arguably the greatest martial artist in the world. If these 3 aren’t there the tournament is worthless. Street Fighter 2 is the most well known fighting game of all time. If you tell me these 3 left the tournament then the most popular tournament also becomes the least significant.
In short the SF2 tournament is nothing if Ryu leaves. Ryu is the one thing that keeps the most powerful people in the tournament.
Sano, think Ryu will do Shin-Shoryuken in the comic book?