Where did all the feminist/hipsters come from?

Spirit_Juice · August 31, 2013, 2:40am

I still find it very strange that in this day and age people haven’t figured out that responding to trolls only gives them more power.

YusukeUrameshi · August 31, 2013, 2:42am

Did the bitch in that video really start sobbing because people MIGHT say something mean about what she posts? SMH. She is a thin-skinned entitled pansy and those are the people we should ignore.

po_pimpus · August 31, 2013, 2:42am

At least they’re in the kitchen…

rimshot

ElderGOD · August 31, 2013, 2:44am

Sorry, I’ll stop getting baited by Matriarch.

ElderGOD · August 31, 2013, 2:46am

Matriarch:

ElderGOD:

Matriarch:

Not all feminists are anti-sex feminists.

Not all feminists are anti-sex feminists.

NOT ALL FEMINISTS ARE ANTI-SEX FEMINISTS.

NOT. ALL. FEMINISTS. ARE. ANTI-SEX. FEMINISTS.

Not all feminists are like that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6qg8Up3PnU

I’ve already addressed this video.

[details=Spoiler]
I feel that a lot of people in this thread are suffering from a bit of confirmation bias. In other words, you’re seeking out only that information that confirms the view that feminism is bad or wrong. And if you can somehow quote or reference enough sources to validate this, you’ll somehow be right. However, the flaw to this line of thinking as that we could do the exact same thing to try and vilify virtually any group of people.

So if I wanted to prove that all SRK posters were complete shitheads using this method I’d have plenty of examples to pull from. And if I wanted to really drive home my generalizations I could even add “But not all SRK posters are shitheads…” after every single trollish example. The idea is that if I pile enough examples I’ll magically become right and prove to you that SRK posters ARE shitheads beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Consider that using this method I could create an impressive list of religious people doing all kinds of radical things in the name of their faith. It might even be enough to convince you that religion as a whole is somehow evil. Again, I might add “But not all religious people are like this…” to try and head off an any arguments to the contrary.

We might even use this same method to prove that Americans are terrible people by listing out all the horrible things Americans and America has done. After all, Americans have been responsible for some pretty fucked up things. We could make quite a list! “But not all Americans are like that…”

Or maybe list out all the violence perpetuated by minorities to try and prove that darker skinned people are a plague on society. You can’t argue with the numbers! “But not all minorities are like that…”

If you’re approaching the topic of feminism with the idea that it’s bad there is no shortage of examples of ‘feminists gone bad’ to back up your point. So where are all the ‘normal and well adjusted feminists’? Probably living normal lives and not doing retarded shit to get themselves in the media. Imagine the headline…“Feminist acts completely level headed and treats men and women equally”. Yeah I don’t think that’s going to get many readers.

I say this because a lot of the shit that is getting referenced in this thread (and even by that video of the guy repeating ‘but not all feminists are like that…’) are designed to create controversy and get hits. People acting in normal non-radical ways aren’t going to get reported or focused on. I seriously doubt any of you were at any of these horrible feminist fiasco events that have been referenced, so keep in mind the influence of media. It’s called media because it’s indirect communication (you’re using a medium). You weren’t there, someone else is telling you about it.

I see myself as a feminist and I’m definitely saying that I’M not like that.

A lot of the shit that has been posted and referenced in this thread to discredit feminism disgusts me as well. Just because a lot of shortsighted people are getting a lot of attention for being dipshits doesn’t mean all of us are that way nor does it mean we support those views. I personally don’t see those portrayals as being fair to feminists in general and I don’t see such extreme and fundamentalist views as being a true representation of the values of feminism even if others would try and assert otherwise.

As far as why it’s called feminism, it’s because in the realm of gender equality the female gender has traditionally and historically been oppressed with fewer rights, privileges, and freedoms. So getting females equal to males would have created equality in a classic sense, or at the very least, addressed a lot of the problems that existed in society. This isn’t to say that there were NO circumstances where women had it better, just that most cases of imbalanced social justice ended up with females being more limited and getting the short end of the stick. I would agree that the term ‘feminism’ probably should be changed, but outside of western society there’s a veritable fuckload of oppression directed at women simply for being women.

But feminism isn’t the only group whose name was born in a time of assumed disenfranchisement. Look at the NAACP. A lot of people take issue with their name as well, and they insist they’re not only concerned for colored people. [/details]

Where did all the feminist/hipsters come from?

Can you please post the tl;dr version for me? I have ADHD and that’s too much. Please don’t discriminate against people with a serious disability.

I really want to read all that in its entirety, but…

angelpalm · August 31, 2013, 2:48am

Seems like a perfect fit.

blufang · August 31, 2013, 2:48am

Well said, Matriarch. A lot of people here have seemed to make their conclusion based on what they want to be true. They are looking for likes and nods of approval from like minded close minded people. Quite a few duplicate threads about some news story, than harharhar women suck. Quite pathetic to say the least, venting frustration at not ever having a girlfriend or still being a virgin. Don’t worry Rosy Palm never says no.

Sure this post will be flagged to oblivion, cause the truth hurts. Lol.

angelpalm · August 31, 2013, 2:51am

How many sexual partners have you had in your life?

Matriarch · August 31, 2013, 2:58am

Definition of failure:

Posts a 13 minute video, complains about someone’s post being too long.

ElderGOD · August 31, 2013, 3:05am

Why do you hate men so much? I have a serious disability and you’re making fun of me :sad:

… but I’m sure not all feminists are like that.

angelpalm · August 31, 2013, 3:06am

Summarize it for me, what are the key talking points?

SuperTroll · August 31, 2013, 3:06am

Matriarch:

ElderGOD:

Matriarch:

Not all feminists are anti-sex feminists.

Not all feminists are anti-sex feminists.

NOT ALL FEMINISTS ARE ANTI-SEX FEMINISTS.

NOT. ALL. FEMINISTS. ARE. ANTI-SEX. FEMINISTS.

Not all feminists are like that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6qg8Up3PnU

I’ve already addressed this video.

[details=Spoiler]
I feel that a lot of people in this thread are suffering from a bit of confirmation bias. In other words, you’re seeking out only that information that confirms the view that feminism is bad or wrong. And if you can somehow quote or reference enough sources to validate this, you’ll somehow be right. However, the flaw to this line of thinking as that we could do the exact same thing to try and vilify virtually any group of people.

So if I wanted to prove that all SRK posters were complete shitheads using this method I’d have plenty of examples to pull from. And if I wanted to really drive home my generalizations I could even add “But not all SRK posters are shitheads…” after every single trollish example. The idea is that if I pile enough examples I’ll magically become right and prove to you that SRK posters ARE shitheads beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Consider that using this method I could create an impressive list of religious people doing all kinds of radical things in the name of their faith. It might even be enough to convince you that religion as a whole is somehow evil. Again, I might add “But not all religious people are like this…” to try and head off an any arguments to the contrary.

We might even use this same method to prove that Americans are terrible people by listing out all the horrible things Americans and America has done. After all, Americans have been responsible for some pretty fucked up things. We could make quite a list! “But not all Americans are like that…”

Or maybe list out all the violence perpetuated by minorities to try and prove that darker skinned people are a plague on society. You can’t argue with the numbers! “But not all minorities are like that…”

If you’re approaching the topic of feminism with the idea that it’s bad there is no shortage of examples of ‘feminists gone bad’ to back up your point. So where are all the ‘normal and well adjusted feminists’? Probably living normal lives and not doing retarded shit to get themselves in the media. Imagine the headline…“Feminist acts completely level headed and treats men and women equally”. Yeah I don’t think that’s going to get many readers.

I say this because a lot of the shit that is getting referenced in this thread (and even by that video of the guy repeating ‘but not all feminists are like that…’) are designed to create controversy and get hits. People acting in normal non-radical ways aren’t going to get reported or focused on. I seriously doubt any of you were at any of these horrible feminist fiasco events that have been referenced, so keep in mind the influence of media. It’s called media because it’s indirect communication (you’re using a medium). You weren’t there, someone else is telling you about it.

I see myself as a feminist and I’m definitely saying that I’M not like that.

A lot of the shit that has been posted and referenced in this thread to discredit feminism disgusts me as well. Just because a lot of shortsighted people are getting a lot of attention for being dipshits doesn’t mean all of us are that way nor does it mean we support those views. I personally don’t see those portrayals as being fair to feminists in general and I don’t see such extreme and fundamentalist views as being a true representation of the values of feminism even if others would try and assert otherwise.

As far as why it’s called feminism, it’s because in the realm of gender equality the female gender has traditionally and historically been oppressed with fewer rights, privileges, and freedoms. So getting females equal to males would have created equality in a classic sense, or at the very least, addressed a lot of the problems that existed in society. This isn’t to say that there were NO circumstances where women had it better, just that most cases of imbalanced social justice ended up with females being more limited and getting the short end of the stick. I would agree that the term ‘feminism’ probably should be changed, but outside of western society there’s a veritable fuckload of oppression directed at women simply for being women.

But feminism isn’t the only group whose name was born in a time of assumed disenfranchisement. Look at the NAACP. A lot of people take issue with their name as well, and they insist they’re not only concerned for colored people. [/details]

Where did all the feminist/hipsters come from?

This all sounds exactly like a religious person justifying why “their faith"is the one true path. Your argument does nothing to address any of the issues brought forth by the videos and examples shown here…it amounts to the typical apologetic stance of"your just cherry picking because if you REALLY look closely enough you can see what true feminism is all about”.

There is a consistent pattern feminist follow in terms of their beliefs and their advocacy efforts. The things feminist talk about, the things they aggressively fight for and the ideas and theories constantly forwarded are always the same, and its all these things that always manage to become the most vocal and popular. You want everyone here to ignore what they see in front of them, to ignore the dozens upon dozens of real world examples of feminist theory going into practice just so we don’t generalize the 1% who doesn’t feel this way and who is supposedly benign and noble…GTFO with that nonsense. If you want to identify as a feminist then own up to what it does instead of what you hope it means. Don’t try to repurpose its meaning or its influence just because YOU don’t like the stigma and public perception…if you got a problem with people perceiving feminism as a misandric supremacist group then blame your feel feminist and feminist leaders…don’t blame the rest of us for calling a cigar a cigar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQWoNhrY_fM

Riiiight…making conclusions based off what we want to be true.

It isn’t like people aren’t giving specific examples to laws,policies and real world activism directly under feminist groups with numerous quotes from influential and powerful feminist…of course it can’t be that it must just be that we’re all neckbears virgins who can’t get pussy.

At least you didn’t do the typical feminist shaming language of"you must be gay"…Virgin neckbeard is a classic though:)

Negative-Zer0 · August 31, 2013, 3:06am

Are you gonna read the post to me?

angelpalm · August 31, 2013, 3:08am

Yeah read it in the Sorceress voice.

ElderGOD · August 31, 2013, 3:08am

Holla back @ElderGOD when @Matriarch and @blufang actually address the points made in the video I posted, until then don’t expect me to take anything you type seriously.

SuperTroll · August 31, 2013, 3:12am

She already did…remember its not "real feminist"who are saying that so its all good.

Hey guys I’m gonna bring back nazism…sure it has a bad rep but those weren’t real nazis. Nazism is all about German national pride…what those bastards did was not real nazism.

ElderGOD · August 31, 2013, 3:15am

I’m not talking about what a feminist said or didn’t say, I’m talking about the facts, the inequality between men and women as stated in the video.

I want @Matriarch and @blufang to address all the inequality and see a push from them for equality.

SuperTroll · August 31, 2013, 3:21am

From Rebecca Whisnant’s article “Not Your Father’s Playboy, Not Your Mother’s Feminist Movement”. Rebbeca is assistant professor of philosophy at the University of Dayton, where she also teaches in women’s studies. She is co-editor, with Christine Stark, of Not For Sale: Feminists Resisting Prostitution and Pornography (Spinifex 2004) and, with Peggy DesAutels, of Global Concerns: Feminist Ethics and Social Theory (forthcoming from Rowman and Littlefield).

Does she count as a real feminist or is she just a elaborate lie to discredit feminism?

angelpalm · August 31, 2013, 3:22am

I think you can find a lot of parallels with the Skin head movement and feminism, both in the origins and the rhetoric.

SuperTroll · August 31, 2013, 3:24am

When they do ill buy you a PS4 and Xbox 1.