Where are the Street Fighter "clones"?

[fallot]

I’ll address what I can, but I’m afraid after this I will not be able to reply for the rest of the day so I apologize if I miss someone’s post or misconstrue their points. I hate huge posts too, but it’s a necessary evil in this case. Anyway:

Capcom is a global name, with a larger market share in the gaming industry than ASW. Capcom is successful in multiple genres, regarded as the father of fighting games and survival horror genre with many more years in the industry than most companies. It is a much larger name on a global scale than ASW. Capcom’s name means a whole fucking lot when they attach it to something.

Indeed it does, to what extent is our disagreement but lets leave that for now. How does this statement translate to what you said about risk? There are other big devs around (big enough to possibly sell games or at least draw interest with name alone) with a lot of properties that can be translated to fighting games. Despite SF4’s obvious success, no one seems to be taking this route. The reason presented is risk, but how does that correlate if a name is indeed enough to push games? My own view, that I mentioned in my first post in the thread, is that they do not explore fighters because they do not understand fighting games. It’s not a niche genre, it’s a genre with a lot of possible popular appeal, but actually making these games requires an understanding and expertise that most of the big names do not possess. That is my reasoning, but like I said before, I am not satisfied with it entirely.

This community has also segregated and ostracized these same games and their players for essentially not being “Street Fighter”. KoF has always gotten hate here for some reason (06’er). Arcana Heart, Aquapazza, Melty Blood, even BlazBlue (poor man’s GG) are always going to be called anime(used in a negative fashion)/loli/pedo/poverty fighters (going like SF2 wasn’t “anime”-styled for it’s day). The communities of Tekken and Guilty Gear were at least big or tough enough to be able to mention their games outside their respective boards/threads without expecting some kind of backlash (it’s not as bad as it was from what I remember due to w/e happened in '08, but it’s not exactly welcoming).

Ostracized by trolls and attention-seeking posters perhaps. Why should these get any attention? I don’t recall seeing the actual threads for the games being crapped up with talk about how they are terrible. Even when it comes to games like Melty Blood and Arcana Heart which have an aesthetic that some people find distasteful, the negativity is essentially just trolling. This should not have any impact on the content of merit that still stems from SRK. No matter how much BlazBlue and Melty Blood are called bad, they were still at Evo. That does not seem to me to be consistent with segregation. It is welcoming in practice and the evidence for that abounds. One of the best places to confirm this is the SRK wiki, which is a treasure trove of knowledge about games you might not expect.

A part of it can perhaps also be attributed to the general trend for cliques to be exclusionary. Since Tekken, Soul Calibur and KoF had/have places of their own, it’s understandable that some animosity would develop between dumb people.

This community will have to stop splitting an already niche community into even smaller factions and be a bit more accepting to non-SF/Capcom fighters before any could hope to get wider support and succeed in the wider VGC.

Even if you disagree with me as to whether this occurred before or not, I don’t think it would be unreasonable to admit that it’s going in a positive direction now right? Look at some of the games featured on the front page for instance.

I personally don’t see a new Darkstalkers game going anywhere right now. While it’s got the Capcom logo on it, it doesn’t have Ryu and Friends in it, putting the breaks on right there. Some may be interested if they recognized Morrigan, Felicia , or Lei-Lei from MvC3, but unless they put a Evil Ryu, Zombie Chun Li and Vampire Akuma cameo in there, or ride on the tail end of the vampire/werewolf craze, most would probably look at it and put it right back on the shelf and pick up SSFxT:2013.

I would agree with this if I did not think there was a large enough number of people interested in fighting games for their own sake, without being very hardcore. I further believe that SF4 has bolstered those ranks.

The Capcom brand is what makes people look at the game. The Street Fighter brand is what makes them buy. Without both, I find it unlikely it would sell even a fraction of what it could.

I agree completely.

Please stop assuming that because you have a certain world view, and that you understand the local environment that you have a global understanding of economics and culture; this is why people make fun of Americans. Please go out and experience other cultures and games, you have a view that is hilariously ignorant.

How ironic then that the poster you are quoting is not American? I mean, ignoring your actual point, you’re being guilty of the exact same thing you are accusing him of: poor assumptions and a lack of objectivity (the post is insightful though).

[Coren]

Ostracized by trolls and attention-seeking posters perhaps. Why should these get any attention? I don’t recall seeing the actual threads for the games being crapped up with talk about how they are terrible. Even when it comes to games like Melty Blood and Arcana Heart which have an aesthetic that some people find distasteful, the negativity is essentially just trolling. This should not have any impact on the content of merit that still stems from SRK. No matter how much BlazBlue and Melty Blood are called bad, they were still at Evo. That does not seem to me to be consistent with segregation. It is welcoming in practice and the evidence for that abounds. One of the best places to confirm this is the SRK wiki, which is a treasure trove of knowledge about games you might not expect.
A part of it can perhaps also be attributed to the general trend for cliques to be exclusionary. Since Tekken, Soul Calibur and KoF had/have places of their own, it’s understandable that some animosity would develop between dumb people.
Even if you disagree with me as to whether this occurred before or not, I don’t think it would be unreasonable to admit that it’s going in a positive direction now right? Look at some of the games featured on the front page for instance.

Melty Blood was in EVO last year because it won the Player’s choice vote by a significant margin due to a concerted effort by dedicated players and fans to have it voted in. EVO Staff was unaware that Melty Blood was a japan only, PS2 game; and later blatantly admitted they added the gae to be fair but had no expectations for it to win. So they ended having to run it. Yet, the matches from melty blood are not on the EVO channel, yet the big name players who flew in from japan to play got no mention, yet G4 and the major gaming press largely ignored it. Where is the players choice vote now? Illuminati.

Also, Blazeblue is the game that majors put in to placate the ‘anime fighter crowd’. That’s why it’s in Canada Cup, even though the blazeblue scene in Canada is practically non-existent; and may in fact by outstripped by the size of the AH3 or Melty Blood scene.

SRK has a clear bias and an inherent ignorence/disdain for games not made by capcom, this is why you’ll see people hate on guilty gear for having airdashes and silly rushdown with no footsies and then post about how much they love magneto. There is a reason that dustloop, Tekken Zaibutsu, Meltybread, and Mizuumi.net exist; having a thread in FGD which is 80% trolling / pointless shit posts is not enough to sustain a games scene or to act as a resource. If those games had a full on section ala SF4 with character sub-forums and the like then maybe they’d stay on SRK. But that will basically never happen.

[bkfst_sausage]

SRK has a clear bias and an inherent ignorence/disdain for games not made by capcom, this is why you’ll see people hate on guilty gear for having airdashes and silly rushdown with no footsies and then post about how much they love magneto. There is a reason that dustloop, Tekken Zaibutsu, Meltybread, and Mizuumi.net exist; having a thread in FGD which is 80% trolling / pointless shit posts is not enough to sustain a games scene or to act as a resource. If those games had a full on section ala SF4 with character sub-forums and the like then maybe they’d stay on SRK. But that will basically never happen.

Truer words are sparsely spoken.

[SSJ_Sonikku]

Why the heck would you want SF clones? The current state of the fighting game genre is fine, as there is a decent amount of variety.

[Solineus]

I just want a damn Clay Fighters remake lol.

[P.Gorath]

Yeah I think it would be cool if we got some next gen clones in the vein of Eternal Champions, Ultra Vortek, Dark Rift, Kasumi Ninja, etc

[fallot]

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I cannot deny any of this, yet despite whatever concerns the staff had about Melty Blood, they did honor the agreement. BlazBlue was just one example, Guilty Gear was featured as well (and yes I am aware of the issues that were encountered). But yes, I must concede to you on this and attribute my position to optimism. I do think it’s a better position to hold than cynicism as that just leads to repetition of the same old behaviors.

[Aquashark]

don’t forget Martial Masters!

[jedpossum]

i think a new darkstalkers game would sell about 1/4 whatever SUPER street fighter 4 sold. is that enough sales to warrant a new game? i hope so. but it’s probably not.

I don’t trust anyone at Capcom with the Vampire/Darkstalkers license for a game.

[Nick_J]

But yes, I must concede to you on this and attribute my position to optimism. I do think it’s a better position to hold than cynicism as that just leads to repetition of the same old behaviors.

I’ll prefer to be an optimist as well, but the cases for optimism that I’ve seen are few and far between. For every dude who came into the FGC from SF4 or MvC3 that learned about previous Capcom or, even better, non-Capcom fighters, joining and becoming members within the individual game’s communities, making the greater FGC better, there is 10 others who go on the forums or streams, get bombarded by massive trolling, and cave into peer pressure and Groupthink, attacking the smaller and less predominant games and communities enough to completely kill them.

One example would be AH3. While I wasn’t around before it’s release, I can guess it got similar treatment as AH1 did when I was around in 2006. An already niche game getting a DL-only release, coupled with the PSN outage on launch day, does not get a hand of support from the greater FGC, but instead gets doused in salt by trolls and gets the label of loli/pedo fighter. And then you end up with maybe 15 dudes showing up at EVO for a then 3-month old game. The absolute ignorance and group hatred for the game killed whatever niche community that could have formed for it in the west from ever leaving the starting gate.

Other fighters only get it slightly better.

I would really love to be an optimist for the community and it’s expansion hopeful future prosperity, but when members of the community are willing to tear fellow members, games, and sub-communities apart because they are not part of the SF/Capcom family when the FGC itself is a baby phoenix that just rose from it’s early-00’s ashes, it’s really hard not to be a bit cynical.

[factory9]

I don’t trust anyone at Capcom with the Vampire/Darkstalkers license for a game.

I feel at this point, anyone who had a possibility of doing Darkstalkers justice at Capcom has been long gone.

They might as well go ahead and sell the rights to someone who cares because that kind of game obviously something they seem to think they’re above making since they have all they need at this point to keep on living for an eternity.

[Mr.X]

A lot of the original designers from Capcom have left and are with SNK, Dimps or Arc System Works or so I’ve read around here.

[Preppy]

SRK has a clear bias and an inherent ignorence/disdain for games not made by capcom, this is why you’ll see people hate on guilty gear for having airdashes and silly rushdown with no footsies and then post about how much they love magneto. There is a reason that dustloop, Tekken Zaibutsu, Meltybread, and Mizuumi.net exist; having a thread in FGD which is 80% trolling / pointless shit posts…

I cannot shout this loudly enough:

Mash the REPORT button and trolls will be taken care of with righteous excellence.
Note that a difference of opinion is not trolling, but posting in a thread saying how much you are disinterested in the thread’s subject certainly is going to earn you an infraction.

[Mightfo]

it’s full of metrosexual looking characters

2. most of the cast is not iconic/appealing in the same vein as SF. western audiences expect fighters not fashionistas and metrosexuals otherwise there’s no connection and drive to play it.

Do you people seriously think Goro Daimon, Terry, Joe, Andy, Shen, Kensou, Ralf, Clark, Chin, Robert, Ryo, Takuma, Kim, Hwa Jai, Raiden, Maxima, and Billy kane are metrosexuals?
Ash, Benimaru, Saiki, and i guess…Duo lon? I don’t count “4” as being “full of” 30+.

[Hecatom]

absurd generalizations (and wrong btw)

[d3v]

I feel at this point, anyone who had a possibility of doing Darkstalkers justice at Capcom has been long gone.

They might as well go ahead and sell the rights to someone who cares because that kind of game obviously something they seem to think they’re above making since they have all they need at this point to keep on living for an eternity.

Neo_G (Savior’s battle system designer) still works at Capcom, that and more than a few producers would like to see a new one made.

The problem lies in the fact that the game’s characters seem to have more fans than the actual games themselves. All the stuff like artbooks, toys, etc. sell like hotcakes, but the games themselves don’t.

[The_Parry_System]

Considering what an abortion MvC3’s system is compared to 2’s I don’t know if Neo_G’s continued presence is supposed to fill anyone with confidence re: the potential quality of a future Vampire game.

[Mr.X]

Considering what an abortion MvC3’s system is compared to 2’s I don’t know if Neo_G’s continued presence is supposed to fill anyone with confidence re: the potential quality of a future Vampire game.

subjective

[d3v]

Considering what an abortion MvC3’s system is compared to 2’s I don’t know if Neo_G’s continued presence is supposed to fill anyone with confidence re: the potential quality of a future Vampire game.

I’d hardly call MvC3 an abortion when it captures exactly what made MvC2 so hype, the high stakes all in poker element of the game, the high stress from knowing that a single mistake can cost you the entire match. The system is good enough that one of the old Marvel 2 vets calls 3 his favorite.

[The_Parry_System]

Get at me when you ever post anything that isn’t an appeal to someone else’s authority d3v.