What Street Fighter Game should receive the hd Remix Treatement next

[madMike]

I think its a tough call…what game can you honestly choose that will make part of the community happy and the rest angry? -_-;;

What game!? Christ people get upset when they don’t get a character they want.

[Dhampir]

Realistically, 3rd Strike would not get a remix because HD Remix sold a lot of copies mostly on the name Street Fighter 2 which had the largest player base. A lot of that playerbase of casual players buying out of nostalgia have no idea Street Fighter 3 exists… unless they’ve heard of SF4 already. But a lot of people never played the SF3 games, and they never sold very well in the US.

Alpha 3 home versions did sell decently however, and seems to be the most likely to receive an “HD Remix” if they decide to do one. Personally, I’d love to see Street Fighter 1 HD remix because it would be sweet to play as Joe, Geki, and Lee, but in a business sense Alpha 3 would seem to be the most likely.

There is still crying about tick throws in STRemix, and throwing in general. Can you imagine what will happen when someone gets their super parried or faces a good Urien player.

I would love to have the HD, keep the remix.

[rush_down]

3S for sure. I don’t think it even needs a graphical update, just some badly needed balancing.

[aqualung]

JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure, ive been dreaming about it for years, and most likely will continue to dream about it, as it will never come true.

Darkstalkers anything in HD would be next best thing =P

Changing 3s and stuff would create so much bitching and moaning, that id rather not see that happen personally.

[System_1]

How about the 1 and only game that actually deserves it. Im talking about the least ported and upgraded SF…SFIII. SF1s chars. are already delved into from SFIII. The ninja, the gentlemen and SF1 didnt have much variety anyways. Fuck SF1.

Its not like 3rd Strike DOESNT NEED rebalancing cause it does need it badly. Its likely they’ll never upgrade 3rd Strike so why not the next best thing HD remix the shit.

[System_1]

There is still crying about tick throws in STRemix, and throwing in general. Can you imagine what will happen when someone gets their super parried or faces a good Urien player.

I would love to have the HD, keep the remix.

I imagine probably what happened whenever some casual fans saw a Street Fighter 3 machine when they were new games.

“Oh man, I love Street Fighter!”

puts in coin

“Where the hell is Blanka/Sagat/Guile/Honda/Vega/Bison?”

walks away. I get a free game

I’ve seen this happen more than few times. Would people buy 3rd Strike remix? Well, yeah, but not a whole lot. A lot more people who remember Alpha 3 (which DID get a lot of play at my local arcade before it died) and how many characters it had (everyone from Alpha 2 and SF2?! SOLD!) and its sheer variation. I think the PSX port was the highest selling Street Fighter game not of the SF2 series.

It just makes more sense overall to cater to the casuals and throw in some awesome shit for the hardcore fan base as well. Hell, I wouldn’t mind some top players comming in an consulting on some balance tips to make all ISMs competitive rather than everyone using V-ISM and leaving the others to die. On-line matchmaking with all 32 characters, every option from the PSP version, and 3-player dramatic battle would make it fucking sweet.

[Tech_Romancer]

Its likely they’ll never upgrade 3rd Strike so why not the next best thing HD remix the shit.

Put a CPS3 game in HD? For what? Just because we like a game, doesn’t mean it should get HD. SF2 got HD because its graphics were getting well outdated; but still, many people play the original version. CPS3 2-D graphics capabilities are still going strong.

I kinda understand now what Master Chibi was getting at.

We don’t need anymore damn remixes, definitely not of a mass-circuited game like Alpha 3, certainly not VS, anything. Let’s just play the originals and leave it up to Capcom what they want to do, because if we were so fixated on seeing these games in HD, you wouldn’t play them in the first place.

It just makes more sense overall to cater to the casuals and throw in some awesome shit for the hardcore fan base as well. Hell, I wouldn’t mind some top players comming in an consulting on some balance tips to make all ISMs competitive rather than everyone using V-ISM and leaving the others to die. On-line matchmaking with all 32 characters, every option from the PSP version, and 3-player dramatic battle would make it fucking sweet.

Alpha 3 is most likely the most casual SF game in existence. The game industry has already degraded catering to the “casual fan”; what we need to do, if anything is start getting Capcom on the straight to reviving their dedicated player base.

A Third Strike remake would not need to be redrawn in HD. Just upscale it and get some quality filtering, and we’re set. The focus on a 3S remake would be rebalancing.

A3 almost has as many versions as SF2, there’s no need to add another for a while.

So agreed.

Don’t get me wrong HDRemix is great (although a patch would be nice), but moving onwards is the right direction.

Quoted for truth.

[_Onslaught]

A Third Strike remake would not need to be redrawn in HD. Just upscale it and get some quality filtering, and we’re set. The focus on a 3S remake would be rebalancing.

A3 almost has as many versions as SF2, there’s no need to add another for a while.

Sprites look like shit when they’re upscaled with filters in HD.

[BIGBAGGA]

Tech Romancer^^^^^^ I dont think there is anything wrong with doing an hd remix. I think they should be pumping out remix versions of every street fighter there is. Than I would not need 5 systems to play them all. I think it would be awsome if we had our choice of playing any street fighter game online we wanted. Why not? They make money we get games we want to play on a new console. Than I would not need 5 different joysticks/converters . I think they should remix SNK VS CAPCOM 2 , or Street Fighter Alpha 3, or street fighter 3, as those ones I did not get to play nearly enough.

[Radiantsilvergun3]

You what the biggest mistake was in letting Udon do this in the first place?

They’re not animators!

I just spent almost 2 years in clean up before going back to animation and boy, it’s hard. Especially with complex characters.
You have to make sure everything moves fluently, that nothing wobbles, that the line is consistent, that the volumes(mass) don’t change, that your drawings are actually good*. It’s a nightmare.

So now you’ve got a bunch of guys who don’t have a solid grounding in anatomy or posing(from what I’ve seen), who are not animators and they have to do this? And on top of that, it’s in HD! Every single flaw is magnified for all to see!
That’s why I knew this was doomed from the start(visually).

A lot of the original animation in the SF series is actually a pixilated version of cut-out. When you look at ST in motion, specifically the idle animation, you’ll see that they’re basically built up out of seperate body parts. The part’s position is then tweaked from frame to frame, giving the illusion of movement.
There’s a bunch of software that’s out right now, in which you can make a vector based cut out character and move it around, simulating squash and stretch, muscle movement, etc.
It would have been ideal for this project, in which the animation is based mostly on strong key poses and very little inbetweens.

In stead, Udon chose to do this half assed animation where legs are vibrating uncontrollably(Boxer!) and things are morphing all over the place.
Characters are growing and shrinking and most of them seem to be traced from existing artwork and then badly re-assembled.
Check out most of the character’s heads. They seem to cock their head to one side, because their heads are traced from art in which the head is upright, but they just rotated it down, disregarding the perspective change in the face.

I’m sorry for the long rant and the relentless hate for this game’s art, but there is a lot of existing knowlegde about drawing and animation and a lot of people who could have done at least a decent job on this, which is why it baffles me that something like this could have been made.
Also, I’ll admit that I’m jealous of these people who actually got to work on an SF remake.

Street Fighter got me into studying anatomy. I’d draw these characters when I was a kid and proudly show them to my dad, who’d tell me the drawing looked nice, but the anatomy was off. (I’d draw one big muscle on the front and one on the back of the arm. There, it can now bend and stretch. Perfect!)
So in order to draw them well, I had to study. It was such a great motivation.
Now I see an actual remake of the classic game that inspired me and the art is completely butchered!

I know that there probably wasn’t enough money to do it decently too, but I don’t think that’s a good excuse. If you don’t have the money, don’t do it.
I’ve met so many clients who don’t actually know what they’re getting into when they want animation, it’s astounding. They seem to think we just sit around and draw 100 drawings in one day and it’s all perfect. There’s never a need to fix something, there’s never a time when you make a mistake, it’s like factory work.
When you tell them that they’re not paying enough for what they want, or that there’s just not enough time to do what they want, they don’t want to hear it.

Anyway, what’s done is done. For the sake of Fighting Games I guess I hope it does well. If there’s any more remakes, I hope they’re done right.

*When you try to keep everything in check, sometimes it’s easy to lose sight of what the actual drawing looks like. You might think: “Yeah! Everything is moving perfectly!”, but sometimes the drawing just doesn’t look right. It sucks.

I didn’t mean to make it sound like I thought Udon was good. Just that he had it backwards and that the outsourced company blew. Thats all. Franly HDR looks fine to me for the most part. there was a ton of stuff wrong with ST’s art as well i think some of the art problems had to do with confining to the old hit boxes and such but otherwise i think the game looks pretty damn good especially the back rounds.

[FaceMeAndBeBroken]

^ I think alot is wrong with the art of HDR. And of course there are bad looking frames in real ST, but overall, the real game looks better. And Alpha and SF3 sprites really dont have any bad frames,they are pretty polished.

As far as making the shit"HD" It seems to me that emulators ran on a computer on a HDTV look just fine. They certainly look better than playing a PS2 game on a HD. They could use cleaning up, but overall it looks good, and I’d rather have real ST on my screen than remix.

Here in ST (CPS1 art) in 1920x1080, that I just captured and its on my 42 inch 1080p TV.

Here is CPS2 art in 1920x1080.

They most certainly dont look bad even as is. Take the exact images and give them more pixels, to clean up lines, and then were talking.

[YieArKungFu]

you better pay for the failed netcode as well…

ggpo > life

Doesn’t Capcom have a multiyear license to use GGPO?
http://www.capcom-unity.com/s-kill/blog/2008/08/29/ggpo_networking_guru_talks_sf_hd_remix_

Yeah just buy the game for w/e if you feel like supporting capcom, and then feel good about playing it with awesome netcode on GGPO.

That’s not really the point. The next generation of fighting game players is on XBox Live and Playstation not at the arcades or online playing GGPO games which people outside of the fighting games community wouldn’t even know about.
The upsides:
1: Capcom makes money releasing our favorite classic fighters at a reasonable price on next gen consoles, we get more fighting games support.
2: Introduces SFA online to new players, more interest in tourneys.
3: Introduces exclusively XBox360/PS3 players to classic fighting games, more demand for fighting games stateside = we get more Japanese fighting games imported.

Downside = ???

[FaceMeAndBeBroken]

1: Capcom makes money releasing our favorite classic fighters at a reasonable price on next gen consoles, we get more fighting games support.

Downside = ???

Downside = Capcom loses motivation to make new games knowing you will buy every little compilation they make.

Why did it take 9 years between real Capcom games to come out? They knew you were happy with Speciall Classics Collection 36453437.

[Tech_Romancer]

3: Introduces exclusively XBox360/PS3 players to classic fighting games, more demand for fighting games stateside = we get more Japanese fighting games imported.

Don’t get that one either. If a player really wanted to get into classic fighting games, they’d go and get SF anniversary collection or (more likely) get them on emulator. Also, I think it’ll take far more than that to get the Japs to start exporting they’re stuff over here. Besides, most of the “classic stuff” is already multi-region anyway.

Don’t get me wrong, I love the classics, but they’re fine for now, and for the 100th time, we don’t need another compilation of SFA3.

If you’re gonna beg for a HD remix, at least beg for one that never got released stateside or a game no-one knew about.

[Hecatom]

If you’re gonna beg for a HD remix, at least beg for one that never got released stateside or a game no-one knew about.

then no one will buy it because no one heard about it in the first place

[Tech_Romancer]

I was referring to underrated gems that for some reason or another escaped the view of the common consumer, but we now realize is a great game. Something that didn’t get the respect it deserved.

[DAWOLF57]

^ VS or the SF3 series? I think that’s all that fits the bill.

[Kalyx_triaD]

Fighter’s Destiny HD Remix? Anyone? Good night.

[VirtuaFighterFour]

It really should be all of them…just not Remixed.

HD Graphics would allow these games to be played on the new systems and on HDTVs without input lag.

MVC2, CVS2, Alpha Series, 2nd Impact, 3S, all of them…

Just don’t let Backbone anywhere near them of course.

[System_1]

then no one will buy it because no one heard about it in the first place

very, very, true.

Who bought Kingdom of Kelflings without knowing what the hell it was? anybody?

To be fair, a 3s remix would sell on the Street Fighter name alone, but I really doubt it would sell as well as other titles.

Alpha 3 is most likely the most casual SF game in existence. The game industry has already degraded catering to the “casual fan”; what we need to do, if anything is start getting Capcom on the straight to reviving their dedicated player base.

You mean the player base that has been shrinking slowly but surely since 1993? I think the best way to revive it is to get more people playing. How do you do that? Make the game easily accessible to casuals. If they want to get better, they will. If not, Capcom makes money, and thus, has incentive to make more Street Fighter sequels. Win/Win.