what should be my next project?

popoblo · August 26, 2008, 11:23pm

gotta love drunk cvs2 posts!

any decision on the actual purpose of the thread? that is, what the project will be? in reference to the random japan footage, i know i wouldn’t lose sleep over not knowing exactly who played in the match, so posting those wouldn’t seem too hard and people could still enjoy the footage.

peace

wepeel · August 27, 2008, 8:31am

Pieguy:

c.strong
14->16 - (5+24) = -15 -> -13 frame disadvantage

c.fp
18->20 - (12+27) = -21 -> -19

c.mk
14->16 - (6+13) = -5 -> -3 frame disadvantage.

c.hk
18->20 - (9+27) = -20 -> -18 but realistically, you probably only have about 5 frames to punish because nobody slides at point blank

s.rh
18->20 - (10+23) = -15 -> -13

A lot of the K top tiers give vega a terrible time, especially Cammy and Sagat. Vega’s AA’s are all very easily JD’d (flipkick, s.rh, c.strong, c.fierce) and red impact is one of the easiest supers in the game to JD. Also, unlike w/ a lot of other JD’d normals and specials, Vega doesn’t always recover in time to be safe or at advantage.

I don’t even know why I bothered putting up this info cause it’s a huge derail but it’s just hard to imagine a character that has more disadvantaged normals on JD/parry than Vega.

I’m all for match vids if they’ve never been released because ranbats and tourney vids seem to be very rare these days. I just hope there’s no moving black bars of death across the screens :tup:

Honestly, folks, read this post carefully. A great example of failure because of a blind devotion to frame data numbers. Didn’t we see this before? Wasn’t there an awesome-cool poster named kcxj who already went down this path? Did I already foreshadow something like this happening in the past? Search my posts, I saw this coming months ago. Pieguy I think you completely missed the point. There are so many things wrong with this post. It would probably be better to let you figure it out yourself than to have me explain it all…:wasted:

Pieguy · August 27, 2008, 10:20am

What’s to figure out? Vega changes his game completely when against K players. He still runs away but you can’t blindly poke from proper ranges because his pokes can be easily punished. It’s not just about range because Vega’s recovery frames are so long you can literally hit his limbs like they’ve just whiffed.

There’s a big difference between Vega’s inherit recovery problems and blind use of frame data. KCXJ did a whole bunch of useless calculation and theorizing like calling chun’s standing strong I think at -1 “average.” Anything at -3 is almost completely unpunishable but we’re talking -13 and worse disadvantage here. I have also punished RC ball on numerous occasions because vega’s low to the ground and its timing isn’t weird like that of rc psycho or rc hurricane. I s.fp a JD’d c.fp or c.mp and punish w/ a super on reaction with cammy all the time as well because you literally have days.

casey_MDK · August 27, 2008, 11:15am

Pieguy:

What’s to figure out? Vega changes his game completely when against K players. He still runs away but you can’t blindly poke from proper ranges because his pokes can be easily punished. It’s not just about range because Vega’s recovery frames are so long you can literally hit his limbs like they’ve just whiffed.

There’s a big difference between Vega’s inherit recovery problems and blind use of frame data. KCXJ did a whole bunch of useless calculation and theorizing like calling chun’s standing strong I think at -1 “average.” Anything at -3 is almost completely unpunishable but we’re talking -13 and worse disadvantage here. I have also punished RC ball on numerous occasions because vega’s low to the ground and its timing isn’t weird like that of rc psycho or rc hurricane. I s.fp a JD’d c.fp or c.mp and punish w/ a super on reaction with cammy all the time as well because you literally have days.

Vega gives K-groove headaches. End of story.

geadom · September 3, 2008, 7:25am

Buktooth:

i’m feeling productive lately. dunno what to do though

iori faq is pretty out of date, mainly in the matchups area. a lot of other shit should be added though

morrigan faq was never really finished i think. there’s a ton of crap to be added there

hibiki faq that i’ve been meaning start for like 7 years

i could do another ghetto tutorial (or two) to put up on youtube, but that first requires me to make a trip to california, and also decide on character(s) to do

i still have a good amount of match vids i recorded while i was living in japan i can upload

or i can record and upload the random casuals i have at my place. i use a billion different teams, and its actually pretty entertaining if i do say so myself

as a hidden option i can also record the next time i play with bronson aka sbo 09 finals

Do whatever the hell you want to, but DO SOMETHING!

pIGadOkeN · September 4, 2008, 12:37am

ghetto tutorial plz

Buktooth · September 4, 2008, 4:59am

im going to norcal weekend after next. probably record a ghetto tutorial or two then

Zal · September 4, 2008, 8:30am

YAY more ghetto tutorials

geadom · September 5, 2008, 2:34am

You could upload vids between that time period, you know?? xD

RagingStormX · September 5, 2008, 2:40am

Still waiting on that N-King FAQ.

bodler · October 1, 2008, 10:10pm

N-Vice tutorial would be the most helpful and interesting

otaru23 · October 2, 2008, 2:10am

Buk did that one already http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=n+vice+turtorial+cvs2&search_type=&aq=f

bodler · October 2, 2008, 3:14am

im sorry I ment N king, sorry bout that.

It would be nice to see a video tutorial of a character that just seems hopeless from a top player

FullMetalRoss · October 2, 2008, 3:22am

Not made by Buktooth, but it is spot on.

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bodler · October 2, 2008, 4:51am

yea saw that one long time ago, didnt help me one bit, still see king as the worst character a fighting game could have, maybe if buk does a tut it might change my perspective on this useless char

System_1 · October 2, 2008, 5:20am

How about tips/updates on Dan, Dhalsim, and Yun in K-Groove

Diveman · October 2, 2008, 7:49am

Iori faq would be nice…ghetto tutorial too

popoblo · October 10, 2008, 9:08am

so did you ever come to a decision?

Buktooth · October 10, 2008, 10:44pm

my last two trips to norcal had to be cancelled because of work-related stuff, and that’s where the ghetto tutorials are done

when the smoke clears at work i’ll probably upload some vids to hold people over until my next trip

Atb_555 · October 29, 2008, 11:46pm

Reading through your Frame Data guide: http://www.gamefaqs.com/coinop/arcade/file/562704/28665 you said you might to write an indepth guide of how to cover up a frame disadvantaged move. You still keen on doing that? Im sure I speak for a lot of people in that we would be interested to read that.