What makes a 'top-tier' character?

Classic Fighting Games Marvel VS Capcom 2
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Needless to say, it’s the general consensus that Magneto, Storm, Sentinel, Cable, Iron Man and Psylocke are top-tier characters - or if you prefer, the ‘god-tier’ elite. But why? What makes them superior above other fighters?

Maybe it’s their flying abilities, which gives them more potential for air combos. But Cable and Psylocke can’t fly, and Bison isn’t considered top-tier. How about a good assist? Cable and Iron Man’s AA can out-hit most attacks, but I can’t really speak for the others. Then maybe it’s speed. Magneto, Storm and Psylocke can dance rings around other fighters, but Sentinel’s not exactly the fastest horse on the track, regardless of his reach. Besides, that would make Cammy and Felicia top-tier characters, too. But why aren’t they? Cammy’s a good assist with a high speed and air combo potential; and the damage from Felicia’s Please Help Me puts the Magnetic Tempest and Hail Storm to shame. And let’s not forget Hulk, whose faster than the other heavy characters, and whose powerful hypers can readily combo off a HK Gamma Charge.

So come these aren’t top-tier characters, and what makes the aforementioned god-tier caste so special? I fail to see a pattern.:wonder: :wonder: :wonder:

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they all have different qualities, assists, combos, rushdowns etc also their teams

Magneto- RushDown God. Can work with and of the 4 god tiers assists, and psylock. Mag cable sent mag storm psy etc ROM infinite, mixups/cross ups/unblockables

Strom- all around balanced rushdown machine. works great with most assists/easy unblockables/great chip dmg/good meter builder/mix ups/cross ups

Cable- lockdown hero. easy unblockables/good meter builder/x3 AHVB/ nice chip/great lock down. works best with sent ground assist and CapCom

Sentinaaaaaal-the power: makes most storm teams/good chip/unfly glitch/ power combos. works best with capcom aa.

these 4 compliment themselves and with other assists
Mag/Storm/Psylock-msp
Mag/Storm/Sent-mss
Mag/Cable/Sent-rowtron
Sent/Cable/CapCom-scrub
Storm/Sent/CapCom-santhrax
Strom/Sent/Cable-tri-force
Sent/Cable/Cyclops-Matrix
Mag/Storm/Tron-mix-up

PS Iron Man and Psylocke arent god tier

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If you don’t know why, you should be SEARCHING, not asking.

You really need to learn to use the search function, this is marvel basics.

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in another thread didnt you say that felicia could take out anyone in 1v1? not only that you were talkn shit to another forum member saying how good she was. Now your asking why arent these people top tier when you said felicia could beat anyone. You need to check yourself before you wreck yourself. LOL.

only way to get better is too watch video and practice. www.youtube.com for all your mvc2 needs.

if you really wanted to get better. Watch high level play and copy them till it makes sense. Youll then realize why cammy, hulk and felicia arent top tier.

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Last time I checked IM and Psy weren’t God tier.

Flying isn’t usually a smart thing to do in general (Sent is one of the many exceptions). It leaves you open for so many things it’s not even funny. Cable doesn’t need to fly though, he has his AHVB. Also, Bison can’t really do much when flying aside from, like, 2 combos.

Speed is not the only factor that makes a character. It’s also a matter of maneuverability (i.e. Flying speed (If they can fly), airdash, lag time on normals, specials, and supers, etc.). For example, Cammy has no safe supers on whiff and has no defensive game without an assist. But, Magneto, Storm, Sent, and Cable all have at least one generally safe super, as well as the fact that they can keep away with things like Cable’s j.hp or Sent’s c.hp.

Also, the only thing slow about Sent is his walk (And maybe his c.rh). He has the fastest fly in the game (I think), all his normals chip, great reach, awesome lock down, etc.

You’re right, Cammy does have a good AAA, she has great air combos that can lead into tons of resets, and she has a fast dash. But the problem is how much damage she does, it’s not too great, her resets are almost all off of a throw and if your opponent can tech, you’re done. Felicia does do some damage with relatively simple combos, but she has alot of trouble getting in. She has some sort of ghetto run-away though with her wall jump, though. Hulk is alright with the damage he does and the speed of a few of his specials, but the problem is almost everything he does has lag leaving him open for almost anything.

Some of the stuff I wrote is probably wrong on most levels though, i’m just trying to get to sleep. :sweat:

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Good enough
Closes topic

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People have played Marvel solid for six years - and they played people like wolverine, spiderman, shuma, etc who were strong in the earlier VS series. Plus I don’t think I’d be going out on a limb saying Marvel has had more tournaments than any other game. So does that count for consensus?

If you actually watch matches or have played against decent competition you wouldn’t be asking this - especially about sentinel. Felicia’s please help me super does great damage, but she can’t tri jump (no high/low game), can’t reset as well as magneto or storm, can’t fight all that well in the air - so can’t do much against sent, her damage output is poor in the air , she can’t chase run away storm and she can’t punish assists relatively safely like storm can. She gets alot of meter from her Hp throw, but magneto can wreck teams once he gets a Hp or Hk throw in the corner, and storm can throw onto drones and launch.

Plenty more but I get the feeling that typing more would be wasted.

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ParryPerson, cram it up your warp pipe. I’ve sick of you busting my chops whenever I ask a simple question like anyone else here. Look, here’s another question about Cable’s AHVB:

http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=120667

Shouldn’t that be in the Cable-specific thread? Go bite his back for a while and get off my case.

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no because he was asking if there is a way to get out of it. It wasn’t a specific character request.

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Seems like Glitcher owned himself again.

Look, if you aren’t a scrub, you will stop, drop, and roooolllll on over to the search function. Got it? Like I said, learn, and move on.

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And where, may I ask, do the character-specific threads state that they must only be about playing with that character and not against him/her?

Still, if you’re in denial about that example, I’ll give you a couple other character-specific threads that are in this forum:

http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=119967
http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118519

Looks like shoultzula just pwned himself again. The same goes for ParryPerson for not realising it. Now unless you two have anything constructive to say, take the hint, learn and move on.

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Yeah, Glitcher sure got us! We must look like fools in belgium.

Either you learn, or you don’t. It seems Glitcher is one of the latter.

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Double Kill… i’m trying to be cool here. but dude, please stop okay? it won’t get you anywhere…

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The hate on the MvC2 forums lives…

top tiers are top tiers because they have speed, mobility, damage potential/minimal risk ratio, priority, and good lockdown/mix up games that are better than the rest of the mvc2 cast.

however that doesn’t mean that it is over for everyone. IMO theres a way around everything even if it means blocking your ass off most of the match, doesn’t matter, the top tiers CAN lose just like everyone.

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Amen to that. People think of ‘top-tier’ or ‘god-tier’ as some sort of magic words that are the secret to winning. But even Roll can trounce Sentinel if you’re really good, really lucky, or you’re fighting your little sister.

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Alright well I’ll put in my opinion:

Top tier is Mag, Storm, Cable, Sent.

I think it’s their versatility, they can handle pretty much all other characters in the game.

They can hold their own without an assist.

Tactics like triangle jumping, fast fly, unfly.

They can also combo off of anything for the most part, which makes them really useful if the character isn’t in the perfect position(ie. standing). They build meter relatively fast.

High amounts of damage in shorter amount of hits.

I often debate with myself the tier of Cable. I remember before AHVB, and I remember people used him but there was no talk of him being the best character. What I’m trying to say is, imagine him without his AHVB tactic. Would he still be top tier? or on IM’s level?

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AHVB is Cable’s best tool for causing damage but he also has other tools that make him the best keepaway character in the game. s.HP, j.HP & TK Grenades are all good tools for keeping opponents away. Assists such as Sent-Drones, CapCom-AAA, Cyke-AAA, etc make Cable’s keepaway game even better.

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FSGamer: I agree with you, but wouldn’t that put him on the same level of IM and his smart bombs? IM would also have a good edge on him as well since he employs air dash.

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IM’s horizontal coverage is poor compared to Cable’s beastly gun. Cable’s hp >> IM’s Unibeam/c.hp.

Plus, Cable can throw nades and hide under/behind them. And other things. By the time IM gets an infinite setup, Cable will probably have enough bars to 100% an assist or point char.

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Not really.

Indeed.

In addition to that, one single mistake against Cable and and there goes AHVB up your ass (which can cost you the match depending on the situation).