It’s not a lost cause, it’s just that most of us feel its a silly endaveor to explain and defend the premise of men and women being inherently different and that the sciences supporting this position is somehow faulty. Stating that the FGC appeals more to male sensibilities which accounts for the high male participate and a low female participation is in my view, the only explanation that is required as it’s the most logically sound cause for why women don’t express interest in fighting games to the same numbers as men.
The alternative explanantions are for the most part, not at all serviceable since they by large assume a number of logical fallacies. From my view, it seems all the alternative explanations suggest that it is somehow the fault of the community or the male members within the community that explains the lack of females. This explanation however sounds dangerously close to the typical feminist narrative of female victimization and male vilification…not to mention it over complicates a issue that is at it’s core very easy to explain. Females don’t play fighters as much as males because they chose not to…simple answer for a simple question.
the FGC is a distant colony of the nerd community in general. but they’re not like the harmless cute nerds who would be smelly, awkward and quiet, but respectful and friendly if a girl was nearby. the FGC are the smelly, awkward nerds who privately think they’re FUCKING GADLIKE and the masculine alpha supremes of all time and are gonna ball all over your face and DAMN DEY SOME SHORTIES UP AN HERR YOU SUCK A LITTLE DCIK HUNNEY???
(when the girl has their back to them)
and then are just smelly, awkward and nerdy when the girl actually turns and pays attention to them.
but in their ultra competitive, self-promotional HEY LOOK AT ME community with the neverending drive to get competition points from people they otherwise hate, they also do things like post pictures of their abs in a thread full of guys.
in other words, girls assume every guy at a fighting game tournament is dark prince.
thats why they dont come. and thats why they dont cum. shout outs to rabbit teeth.
I’m gonna guess it was because Evo ran Brawl during the game’s first year. I don’t remember the subforum before that, but I could be wrong. Regardless of if I’m right about that (could’ve been made the year before when Evo ran Melee), I’m 100% positive your reason is wrong.
Edit - Was the first reason. Before that, there was a random Smash thread in FGD. Was not, however, because Smashers trolled the forum.
Evo - It isn’t the fault of strictly any one group it’s just how things like this work when people are lazy thinkers about issues like this. If you read any sort of blame game or “feminist victimization rhetoric” into what I was saying then you’re already attributing ideas to me that I tried to disavow from the get go. I’m all ears as to why feminism of all things is a part of the evil in this equation and not social norms that everyone perpetuates without thinking. Why even try to frame it that way unless you have an axe to grind? Fwiw, you’ve demonstrated a pretty bad understanding of all interpretations on offer and brought up some that you basically portray as strawmen.
ALSO - there are angry, impatient people who hold every position under the sun so maybe you’re upset about that when they disagree with you? wat.
I mean devs are partly to blame but they’re also a business and there is a clear need to play it safe with their audience that I think they take too far – like a lot of things in pop culture.
If you’re not willing to go about this in good faith then I really have no time for what you’re saying.
Women are allowed in the regular tournaments. There’s no tradition.
In fact some women boycott the women tournaments and go only to the regular tournaments.
The question is why don’t all the rest do it?
Chess isn’t a physical sport.
I wasn’t attributing that narrative to you, I simply stated that that narrative is often used in explaining the lack of female participation. This isn’t me trying to sound mean spirited or dismiss your arguments, but rather just me simplifying a issue that is inherently simplistic.I can appreciate a good debate as much as the next guy, but what is there really to debate in a situation that clearly is dependant on the choices women are making for themselves. The thread asked why do few women participate in the FGC, and the answer has been from past,present and future simply just women themselves…what more can be said.
A lot of guys are really, really rude to girls online. I’ve heard some unbelievably stupid statements made towards friends because there gamertags were obviously female. It would be one thing if it wasn’t something that happened often…but it happens a lot. It’s also not just from middle schoolers. HS and College age guys also same some really dumb things. One loser will say something, then a bunch of other losers will jump in.
And that’s a major reason why female gamers tend to have a low opinion of male gamers. Not the only reason, but it certainly doesn’t help.
This is actually real talk I played umvc3 on my gf’s gamertag the other day as I was staying at hers… The stuff that was being said and the mail I recieved was rather astonishing to say the least… tbh someone would have recieved a tornado ddt in person saying that shit…