What games would you like to see considered for Evo2k6?

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You’re making it sound as if, it doesnt have an US release, then it shouldnt be at Evolution.

Anyone who is anyone in the fighting game community knows that Jpn usually gets their fighting games before the US does, so a lot of players already have modded ps2 or fliptops so they too can get the games during the Japanese release date. Its not hard to imagine players especially in the fighting game community not to have ps2 that are modded in some way to play imported games.

Besides last years Evo GGXX#R was played on modded and imported PS2 since there wasnt an US release for #reload on the PS2. Furthermore the players that cared about GG would have already imported the game when it comes out. That was the biggest gripe the GG community had two years ago when Evo had GGXX rather than #Reload. #Reload had been out for months on import console and those that care for the game didnt want to go back into playing GGXX with all its brokeness. As long as slash comes out at least a month before Evo it should be the game used at evo, the players will know how to adjust to the new game and I’m sure the GG community would appreciate it. [side note: Timmy still wouldnt have a chance of winning, the game isnt that different from #r and Timmy wouldnt be the only one with the game I would have it too :arazz: ]

As for T5:DR… hmm I can’t imagine the game wouldnt come on console. While I agree there hasn’t been an official console release date I would hope Namco would release it in time for Evo. Again I’m sure if the DR comes out even a month before Evo, the Tek community would like Evo to hold DR as their Tek game at Evo rather than playing T5 again.

Destin: Team tourney are fun and all, but I wanna know who is hte best player not the best team. If the GG community wanna run a side team tourney, I’m all for that. Evo itself has so far been a One v. One tourney. This discussion about team tourney has already been discussed in the ST thread, while its all in good fun to have a team tournament, people traveling 100’s of miles and paying $100’s are not gonna want to play in a team tournament game especially if they dont have a team themselves or if that person is the only one from his town going to evo, he would be excluded.

RenoROB

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the reason #r was added to evo was because the game finally saw a us release via xbox. you assume most players have modded ps2’s and such. key word is “assume”. and most of “those” people that have modded ps2’s probably dont have legit copies, which isnt tolerated at evo in the first place for legal reasons. I guaruntee you the vast majority of players dont have modded consoles to be able to play the game. its seriously unfair to have it at the tourney for the the people that have no way to access the game at all. atleast they have a way to access reload with xbox, without modding, which a lot of people, yes, even in the sf community, have no clue on how to do, or where to obtain modding info.

i would love slash as much as anyone would, but gotta be realistic, make a couple people happy, or the majority?

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The majority, of course, and that means Slash. Like the other guys, I haven’t seen anyone that wants Reload instead (except maybe Eddie players lol). We’re not assuming that all of the good players have modded/import PS2s, because we know that they do. I know a lot of GG competitive players and none of them play xbox. More of us rely on actual #R machines than the box version. A lot of people have and play that, but they’re all casual players.

I have the xbox version and play it, but I have the means to play the import. I guess it’s like this: people that are good at Guilty Gear originally had X and XX on the American PS2. #Reload releases, the good players need it and don’t see a US release in sight so we get it imported. If somebody doesn’t have it, someone else in their scene does. They gather and play. People get good from playing each other. Very few individuals travel to Evo alone.

There just isn’t some awesome group out there that only plays xbox and has no idea what Slash is lol. That would be great to see though. I bet they’d all be like…EX Testament, a few Kys and a Chipp or something.

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I think you need to think out who the majority is. Does anyone honestly want #R? I mean, seriously, post here if you really want it. You act like playing JAP games on a US PS2 is ridiculously complicated now. Maybe 2 years ago I’d agree with you, but that’s hardly the case anymore. The hardware is old and has been cracked in everyway. Hell, now there are ways of playing them WITHOUT modded AND WITHOUT swap disks.

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It’s not so much that it’s hard to play slash if it was worthwhile, the question is whether it’s worthwhile, and beneficial to the players in general. GG is sort of suffering from Virtua Fighter syndrome, some people think it’s the greatest thing since sliced bread, but i’m not sure how much that matters if theres no marketing that can be done. It’s quite possible that it will become a tournament for the same small # of players repeated over and over until someone drops it from the lineup.

Don’t mistake what i’m saying, I would love to promote games like slash and VF and others, but i’m not sure throwing it in with the main lineup is going to have the effect that people think it will.

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I frequent in Neo-Geo.com (yes I am a heretic since I own a Neo Geo MVS setup despite being into the whole Capcom/Street Fighter since the SNES days) and the Neo-Geo/SNK community is thinking about hosting a convention in Vegas. Yes if they are motivated, the NEO/SNK community is dedicated enough to spare a few coins (or sell that AES Metal Slug X) to fly to Las Vegas.

As for the home console rule, I am sure somebody would bring either Mark of the Wolves or Samurai Showdown V Special Edtion on an AES setup (well somebody would use one of the MVS converters for SSV special).

Also, for NBC or KOF XI, I am sure Japanese PS2s (or US Xboxes if SNKPlaymore pull’s it’s act together) are affordable enough to host those games when EVO 2k6 arives.

This would provide free/cheap and large marketing coup for SNKPlaymore. Yes they need the exposure and the exposure alone would force them to release games on time instead of delaying games for who knows why. Imagine NeoGeo Battle Coliseum or KOF XI being out on Playstation 2 the week before Evo2k6. Who knows, Sony might give them a token of appreciation for having a large base for PS2 sales or even Microsoft touting the SNK/KOF games as the 2d Dead or Alive for attracting fighting fans to the Xbox brand.

Better yet, announce KOF 98 or Mark of the Wolves to be on Live Arcade. Fanboy wet dream I know.

Who knows, we could use those Japanese PS2 consoles (if Playmore is too lazy to release the games in North America) for a **LEGIT ** with the BB Adapter and the 40 Gig hard drive (I am sure you can reformat the US FFXI hard drives with the Japanese BBNav software) for Darkstalkers Collection. Yes, Darkstalkers Collection supports HDD instalation within the game’s menu.

I am all for SSBM just for exposure despite loathing the game in terms of cheapness despite the in depth gameplay of certain characters. If we do have a tourney, please don’t have items. Just a general scene tourney rule.

As for the Guilty Gear #R fans, what is wrong with using the Xbox for pete’s sake. Not everybody only has one console at home and it supports all sorts of controllers and Playstation 2 adapters :wink:

Robyrt
I am all for that OMF 2097 tourney, but I must warn you, I would bring my MAS systems 360 and USB adapter.

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Lumping Guilty Gear and Virtua Fighter in the same category as far as turnout concerns is pretty bad in itself, since guilty gear still has decent turnouts for their tournaments in the US barring recently, since everyone’s waiting for Slash to come out.

As long as the turnout for Guilty Gear in the US is around the 200 mark like it was at Evo, I can’t see how keeping it in the lineup will hurt it any.

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While 20 people posting about slash may be a lot in the context of a srk thread, it’s not a lot of people overall.

There is an everyone (hardcore GG specific players) that are all waiting for slash. There is another everyone (hardcore players in general) that aren’t too excited about yet another split in the GG world.

I think that some GG players think that slash is the key to some new influx of players to the game. I think it’s the opposite, and that a lot of players are turned off by the idea of yet another game the common player will have no access to.

The question is how did it get to 200 in the first place, i don’t believe it was because of the import PS2 release, and because people said that it was such a great game.

Let me throw some numbers out [from omni’s post]:

GGXX: 77,000
GGXX#R: 73,000
GGIsuka: 28,000

that to me is why #R is at evo, but if it takes 70,000 copies to get 200 players, (and 28,000 to get 0 in the case of isuka) how do you expect to recreate turnout with slash, which will probably have sold… 500? copies in the US by then. Is that the way to build a lasting and stable scene? or are we going to go through all this effort for nothing.

Your basically telling 70,000 people for the 2nd year in a row ‘you don’t count, me and my top player friends are buying slash from japan and you all have to play it’. I don’t see how GG expects to get a high turnout or keep interest when you take a group of people that GG needs to pay attention to (read: about 1.5 million in gross sales).

Players get tired, players get married, have lives, do other things, we cannot base a scene around having 90% participation, but that seems to be what people are proposing.

I just see GG on a path toward becoming the next VF, but this time around, they had the oppourtunity to avoid it and didn’t take it. If someone has some ideas on how you can build a large and stable community off an import only fighting game please post, because i’m not seeing it right now, and thats why i am not for putting a large effort behind it. I would honestly be more excited to promote xbox #R, at least i can clear out the stores of all those discounted copies and get some people playing.

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so xmvsf is official? they are bringing in arcade machines and boards, awesome!

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XvSF doesn’t have an accurate console port so won’t be added. Sure, Saturn version is perfect but it’s Version 3, which seriously nerfs some charaters, and isn’t even the version found in the last few remaining cabinets in US arcades. Cigarbob is pretty cool about doing unofficial turneys, so that’s the only viable future for that game. And a 25 man turnout at EVO2K5 isn’t too shabby.

Hyper Fighting should be added. Espescially with what XBox Live has planned.

-Vix

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Copies sold in America has nothing to do with how Guilty Gear developed its scene…America has little to do with it in general. There are a lot more folks than you think which have access to the newest Guilty Gear. If they don’t have it, it’s by choice. If they’re any good, it’s because they’ve done research on the internet. If they’ve studied up on the internet, they know about Slash and how superior it is. Folks just don’t pick up Guilty Gear and get awesome at it on their own, not here. Heh and saying that “well maybe some players don’t have the internet” is redundant since if that were so, they wouldn’t know about evo now.

People that buy the xbox game buy it for the online. The online kills all hope of them learning the game proper. It blows, everybody knows that. For tournaments, xbox is awful also since everyone has their own stick. Yeah I have a converter, but it only works with a ps2 dual shock. Someone else’s converter may support some dude’s PS1 pcb, but nothing else. If they do work, you have converter lag and yet even more crap than usual to keep up with at the tournament. Aside from that, few competitive players I know even have xbox #r…might be actually hard to find lol. And woe to people doomed to having to use the xbox pad to play :confused:

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I think you guys are seriously underestimateing who plays GG in the us. Also 2 years ago iirc there was just some random vote for what should be at evo, and reload WON. And still wasnt put in… Im sure it would be the same way with slash if there was another vote.

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Is there a legitimate reason that GG players don’t play the Xbox version of reload? I mean, wouldn’t it make lots more sense to play on something that’s readily available in the US? Or are there really major differences like there are in the Xbox versions of CvS2/MvC2?

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there is nothing wrong with xbox #r. people rather play ps2 for the simple fact that ps2 >xbox converters are shitty and i guess no one is willing to mod their stick to add xbox support…

whether or not slash makes it to evo is not my concern. i dont play ggxx. and no one is denying that it “may be” more superior than #reload. if i was #r player, a good player at that, and i went to evo and slash was there, i would be pretty pissed off. so yeah, i enter anyway. i use my character, only to find out that everything i know is gone or nerfed horribly…cough…robo ky…cough…eddie…cough. i dunno bout you, but i would be pretty pissed, that would be one hell of random tournament. regardless of what you may think, not many people mod their playstations or know how to hack, or know where to acquire a hard drive, etc. yes, even the very same people that wander these forums. even so, most people that do mod their shit, bootleg the games. well, we cant use bootleg games at evo. and evo will probably need ps2 donations with legit copies, like last year. now lets assume, even tho its true, that a person doesnt have the money, know how, or resources to acquire slash. whcih, believe me, is a problem. now we arent on even playing fields. now people that do have all this access to bootlegs, mod chips, pc’s, burners, etc… have an amazing advantage. its really unfair to the whole player base. they get fucked over. its a terrible idea. and honestly, is selfish. of course people that have access will want slash, but the majority wont have access. poor idea. just use the format everyone knows. using slash can potentially cripple to an already suffereing ggxx attendance by segregating those players that cannot play the game, while everyone has easier access to #r by far and is substantially cheaper. and thats the reality of it, believe it or not.

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To add onto that, if people want to showcase slash to players there is nothing that i know of preventing the previous team tourney idea to materialize in BYOC. EVO #R on xbox, team slash on ps2, is that a problem to anyone?

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And what is this percentage of “good” players that mod or what have you to play games like slash, and good players that dont? Id wajor the majority of “good” GG players play the imports etc not the other way around.

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That’s sexy! O_o :rofl:

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“Good” players are one important part of the scene, but there are many dimensions to the scene, good players, great players, normal players, casual players, passing players, to isolate one and ignore the others is a mistake.

I think people in the community severly underestimate the power of the common gamer, not nessecarily the scrub, but the people that aren’t crazy enough to post on srk in the middle of the night like me, or try to learn japanese stuff and import games like you guys, just normal people that go to work and school, but also buy whatever fighting games are out, and donate their own time, money, and equipment to see these games succeed.

A ‘good’ player might be able to defeat 200 normal players in a row, but they aren’t going to buy 200 copies of a game, and they aren’t going to spend 200 quarters in an arcade, so they can’t be the only group that gets a voice if the goal is to strengthen the community, get games released stateside, get companies to develop more games, and get things to where they need to be.

At the same time it would be bad to alienate the people who are dedicated to the specifics of GG and are looking forward to the new release.

I think my last post offered a fair solution to both parties, if someone has a better idea or more thoughts post them up, lets get everything out on the table.

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“Good” players are the “scene”. Normal players, casual players, and passing players don’t even know what evo is, let alone a local tourney or even a gathering. I don’t get what you’re saying here. It sounds like you guys want Halo kids that picked up a $15 box with Toonami-lookin’ people on it to come to the biggest american fighting game tournament (seeing as…that’s the majority that bought it) lol. Okay. FinalShowdown up there as well as Ohio, myself, Austin and EC can all stay home and let you guys have an EX/Justice tournament then or something. Better yet, everybody stay home and do it over Live!

silly.

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When speaking of the competitive nature or “vs” of the scene it is the good players that count more than anyone in my opinion. Who do I want to play? The best. Who do I want to see play? The best. Without the top players the scene is just videogames with nothing to strive for at all.

I won’t disregard the other players of course. Those are the many. They are only many though out of love for the competition.

Street fighter shouldn’t be as casual as it’s been getting. Casual gamers can be pleased in many ways and it doesn’t take a fighting game tournament to do it. Evolution will be fun for them either way. If the best players stopped showing up, Evo would not be better than any other video game convention.

Props to the killers that keep the scene alive!

Poop on fags trying to steal intensity from the scene by making it casual:rofl:

Bring the best of the best and everyone is satisfied. Concentrate on the casual and the competitive get bored and stop showing up which kills everything. The foundation are the hardcore and best players. Sorry haters.