Doesn’t VF4 draw like 2 people a year at EVO? I just don’t get the popularity argument.
Nnnnnnot quite.
Hrm…so why do a lot of the top players use V-ism if as soon as you use it youll get uppercutted…
No one said its free damage–its just a dominating strategy and just regular fighting gets set back IMO.
I almost fell to the floor when his A-Rog defeated Sakura…I thought to myself:
“Now…ANYTHING is possible.”
Re: SFA3 I always thought it died out because V-ism dominates the game (at least it appears to be as such with all the tournament footage I have…V-Sakura…V-Akuma…) This is why I’m happy as all hell when see a Gief or A-f’n-Balrog defeat the upper crust characters.
-rh
Vism ruined A3 
Im just curious why A3 dosent have its own board if its that deep.
Scrub
Yeah, he was totally beasting in that. Even though he lost, his matches VS. Chikyu and Bas were too fucking good. I 
to Apoc for representing like that, again, good shit man.
theres no denying that vism is dominant in this game, whethere you can get dped out of it or not. doesnt really change anything…once you can look past the fact that vism is dominant, you can begin to form counter strategies around it and then it becomes a good game again. a3 really sucks at midlevel imo if you don’t know how to get around VC effectively, most ppl get frustrated and give up at that stage and start saying a3 sucks.
still, a3 is a good game, it just got randomed out by no good console port, and death of arcades.
Hey Infested Jester if your in the NYC area set a day to come down to CTF. Play my A-sodom and call me a scrub to my face.
Oooooh, I’m so scared. Take that Fight Club/E-Thug bullshit somewhere else, nobody here is even trying to hear that shit. Your original post was something I hear on gamefaqs all the time. V-ism has been being stopped for a while now by A-ism Chun Lis and Ryus. Hell even that female player Maki was beasting V Akumas left and right. Don’t make such fucktarded comments like that and I won’t jump on your shit.
Play me if SFA3 then call me a scrub simple as that. Last time I checked we play fighting games. If you want to say something like I am a scrub why not back it up doing what we are talking about? So again do you live in the NYC area if so set a day thats good for you and I will meet ya there to play some SFA3 as you seem to know so much about the game. Less dodgeing my question more backing up SFA3…
I still play it. Not often, but every now and then for entertainment. :karate:
ill play you sodomsfa3. but then again ive played you already at cf.
Cool Sabin 
How about this Friday after 5:00 pm? DId ya play my A-Sodom ;)?
It should be at Evo and I have yet to see a legit arguement against why it shouldnt.
I dont play it that much though as I admittedly enjoy Third Strike alot more.
According to the plan, those 2 won’t be at Evo soon. They’ve had arcade releases.
I thought holding ST was out of respect but, it don’t hold true across the board.
Why is TTT still there? Because even Tekken players disliked T4. It’s about numbers. It’s console. They both are on console. Both games would definately bring in numbers and T4 wouldn’t. You couldn’t really justify T4 at Evo without TTT helping out its’ numbers.
If Tekken 5 is hot. There will be no need to make that extra effort for TTT when T5 will get the numbers by itself.
Apoc.
I like you and all Apoc but did you say Tekken players dislike TTT? I hope not because I think that would be a slight mistruth.
Probably the fact that it’s not easily obtainable on console in arcade-perfect form, which has been posted earlier in the thread.
I love the hell out of A3, but that is a pretty convincing reason. I know I don’t touch my DC or PSX A3 at all.
Top players use v-ism because v-ism provides the most towards the character itself regarding normals and special moves. V-akuma I think is the best example when he is in A or X he can only do axe kick when hes right next to them, when he’s in V he can do the axe kick anywhere on the screen by using back+roundhouse. That move is insanely useful not using V in this case limits the usefulness of his normals.
This goes back to the deepness of alpha in that certain characters really shine in V while others shine in A or X, Apoc with his I don’t need a fucking guard meter Balrog in A is a good example. Also take into account v-ism is used for counter V-ing alot too you can even see it in a-groove matches for cvs2. Player one activates, and player 2 activates right after to take advantage of invincibility. Top players use V because it holds alot of advantages that do set the tiering in the game but to say that it ruined it truly is scrubby. V-Gen is a pretty weak character but a good A-Gen can rock some people and compete on the same level as V characters. This is the kind of reasoning that made A3 die is people looked at the game at a glance and saw v-ism winning without actually understanding the game. Hell I still don’t understand it, but the people that do, love the game and that should say something.
VF4 was their attempt to make that game popular here. That’s 2 years of experimenting!!!
Let’s see them offer the same for SFA3(God forbid they attempt to recharge a stellar SF game that they claim to like more than 75% of the other games they have).
VF has always been a joke in the US and it isn’t like we haven’t supported it.
VF4 also shoots the “the game must have a thriving scene to be considered for Evo” line of bullsh*t we’re given. Thankfully, they just be quiet on this point because there really is no argument. Not a legitimate one. Although after 2 years I’m surprised one hasn’t been fabricated yet just to make me look like an arse!
I didn’t even have to reply on that. Muskau says it all right there.
Couldn’t agree more P.Evil.
Thanx ShadowCharlie!!! I needed that reminder! I had forgotten since I don’t pay attention to the tourney scene anymore. Still, in case anyone missed it, there were NO PROMISES made about having A3 at Evo if we did this 60man thing. That’s the only reason I didn’t push for it. It was easy to anticipate a slap in the face when they said they would CONSIDER IT if we got a 60man tourney.
Yo, if we got a 60man tourney outside of a major, hell, even at a major, that would make A3 one of the most popular tourney fighters CURRENTLY. I’d say THE MOST popular with everything it has against it. It’s insulting how the standards and rules for inclusion aren’t linear.
Truth be told, almost every game at Evo would have trouble getting 60ppl in tourney now and they’re supposedly the popular games. Then they would just “consider it?” Fuck that. That’s an insult to everyone that paid hella to fly and meet up and they STILL have to pay for their Evo trip. We do this and we are guaranteed nothing in return. Meanwhile, other games at Evo can be dead as hell and it doesn’t matter. These games are dead WITH perfect console ports and fresher arcade releases!!!
Still, I’ve always wanted to play in a tourney in TX so, I’m likely to attend. I certainly don’t want my last tourney to be a console comedy of errors. Thanx again for the reminder!
There’s nothing to get. It makes no sense. It’s just another random reason to not have A3. It doesn’t have to be true. These things are said to shut ppl up and they do quite a good job.
Not every character has a dp. Also, even with the bs that is V-Akuma, it doesn’t stop the actual fighting…unlike newer games(coughcvs2cough). It’s not by chance that I had to learn how to counter Akuma’s neutral MK with cr.strong with Chun after Danny Leong starts countering my ultra-high priority cr.RH with the neutral St. Mk. V-Gouki has the most bs in the game and you STILL have to know your shit. Being good at his bs only makes handling scrubs free. “Regular fighting” is more prevalent in A3 than any current game. CFJ, CVS2…etc. Not even close.
Fact is, a lot of VCs are rollable and not flippable and pretty much 1% of A3 players understand this. Problem is, most don’t understand the weaknesses of Vism(and that’s completely understandable seeing how it’s the strongest ism). Most ppl use Vism for the same reason they use K and A in CVS2 along with the upper crust characters. The same reason the use Ken/Chun/Yun in 3s. They feel that using the best of the best will help balance out their weaknesses as a player and it’s just smart strategy to select the best of the best even if it is more simple.
Sorry Jae Hoon. You’re right. My head’s all over the place. I meant to say that TTT is there because T4’s popularity won’t bring in the desired Tekken numbers alone. I edited my post to avoid further confusion:) Thanx for pointing out my error.
and daaaang!!! Hella Thanx for the props on 2 year-old matches fellas:D
Btw, P.Evil. I clearly remember nights where you beat both me and Danny. Seeing how we knew the game so well, that says a sh*tload.
Apoc.