Not trolling, just pointing out your stupidity.
That complaining about it online doesn’t make me good enough to win tournaments.
Viper doesn’t belong in SF4 and I wish she doesn’t exist.
Any other flaw with the game can be forgiven if Viper was just removed and the person who was responsible for convincing Ono it was a good idea to implement her into the game was publicly executed and streamed all over the world to see.
“I don’t like a character in a game, so the guy who had the idea to add her should be killed on stream”
How many Viper players do you have on your area or find online?
Not many, but every time I see one, it’s like I’m playing a totally different game alltogether where I get my shit pushed in for 20 seconds for 2 rounds. Also I was joking really about the execution bit, but I just really hate Viper
If you learn the matchup you will stop getting your shit pushed in for 20 seconds in 2 rounds, if you don’t get your shit pushed in then you’ll stop hating Viper.
Problem solved.
She’s still a bullshit character who outdamages the cast (with a few exceptions) free and can do whatever she wants whenever she wants. Viper is a threat at any point of the screen and at a blink of an eye she’s got you knocked down and prepped for a dizzy. It isn’t about learning a matchup or anything because one guess wrong and I’m dead no matter who I play
Welcome to Street Fighter then, because in Alpha 3 and CvS2’s A-Groove one mistake meant that you didn’t have a second chance because you were getting the wall painted with your sprite.
Alpha 3 is a broken mess, and at least in CvS2 you at least could cover a bad matchup with a different character.
Viper’s only weakness in practice is the person with the pad or stick in hand controlling her.
also I don’t think comparing a character with a mechanic is fair.
Yeah, no it isn’t, she makes big damage and can get you into a really tough guessing game off of one mistake, yeah, but she also has really low health and no good reversals with no meter.
Alpha 3 being a broken mess doesn’t mean that it isn’t Street Fighter, in Alpha 2 you didn’t even need to really slip to be caught in a Valle CC and lose around 50%, and also bad matchups counted for nothing against a good Bison because one slip and that’s at least 70% off your life bar. Even going back to ST we can see that there were characters like Vega who could get you into a guessing or dieing game with one good knockdown, Bison who could TOD your ass, Hawk who’s able to throw loop you to obvilion, etc…
These mechanics have always been in Street Fighter, Viper’s playstyle doesn’t make her not SF, that just makes her different. You people make her seem like players just bash their faces on the stick and win tournaments.
Then you can narrow it down to A-Groove Bison and Sakura, V-ism Cody, Karin, Akuma, Zangief, etc…, ST Vega, Hawk, Gief, Bison, etc… and more characters from more SF games.
Characters like Viper that can dish out a ton of damage on one mistake and can get you into a guess or die game fairly easily have always been in Street Fighter.
The only thing I hate about AE is that I’m not very good at it.
SFxT, on the other hand . . .
you are still comparing viper with other game mechanics
talk about characters in sf4 only.
dont tell me: “viper isn’t bullshit! look at ST vega!” because the thing is that, well, we are playing sf4, I’m not playing against a ST Vega.
btw regarding Viper as a SF4 character or not, I’m completely neutral on that matter. I could care less if she exists in the game or not. I just think that comparing different games with different mechanics doesn’t help support your argument of why everyone should say: nah Viper isn’t “herp derp”
Are we even playing the same game? Since when does Viper even NEED reversals? And even then, when have you ever seen her knocked down with no meter? From what I see she builds meter relatively fast and her pressure is like playing paper-rock-scissors and you can only pick scissors. Her low health point isn’t really a factor, it’s not going to be a fight to the finish on either side because of her damage output.
I don’t really see why you brought older titles in the mix when this discussion is strictly about SF4 and it’s mechanics, and most in of the games you mentioned, a large portion of the cast did do high damage. But, the discussion is about SF4, and high damage across the board doesn’t really apply if your name isn’t Viper. Couple that with some amazing mobility and some shenanigans here and there, and boom, we have a winner.
Like I said before in my forum. I don’t think the problem is so much Viper, Seth, (and to some extent Akuma), as I use some of these characters myself. I think it’s because of the lack of tools this game has to others and the easier execution requirements that it’s just easier to use and harder to defend against. It’s much rarer for the AVERAGE person to run into someone who was perfect with Roll Canceling and Paint the Fence because most of those were not as well known back then and were hard to execute and took much effort. Since this game moves slower, has easier inputs, and less tools than the other games, it has some characters are easier to feel overwhelmed by and to exploit.
Also the gamer base is larger nowadays and the average person isn’t going to be as skilled as a person back then, since people then who played were more hardcore on average. Just the way it goes.
Haters gonna Hate
shouldn’t he be riding a buffalo?
Ohohoho I’m not saying she isn’t bullshit, the argument was that she’s not a SF character, which I’m trying to prove wrong BECAUSE characters such as ST Vega exist and will exist on the SF series.
I play Zangief, so her low health really does matter because one 360K, Lariat, Sweep or EX SPD get off a big chunk of damage AND gets het into a guessing game herself, haven’t played the match in a long time but as far as I remember crossup splash beats her electric knuckle and empty crossup 360k beats EX Seismo, I’m not saying it’s easy to beat her, but it’s doable. Also, as far as I remember, Zangief, Honda, Hawk, Hakan and some other still have really high damage.
I brought them up because you said she isn’t an SF character, that’s wrong, there’s always been characters who can get you into a guess or die game fairly easily, and there’s always been characters who can dish out a shitton of damage while still having great mobility, Viper is a Street Fighter character, deal with it.
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