-The fact that they Nerfed Yang when he WAS NO WHERE NEAR AS GOOD AS YUN
-players who use turbo (Ken Bison Rog Blanka mostly)
-Mashing
-and putting stupid characters in the game like E.ryu ONI Hakan.they could of put characters from older series but instead they put more fucking shotos
Evil Ryu rulez. The game does have many shoto/type characters though, many SF games do. Many characters revolve around fireball/uppercut who aren’t considered true “shotos”. It would be cool to see some other characters (though they get put in the crossover games, so it ends up being cool).
Hakan is something different. He’s underrated and I like that he isn’t the same old thing.
yang just under yun. I dont see how he was not near as good as yun. he was just less herp derp and a bit more technical
I’m not sure which of these two statements is the funnier one.
he was also More punishable on every move he has and his dmg output is low but not GEN low
i know gen is rare, but his damage actually isnt low now. its above average in 2012
Sorry, she’s NOT A SF character, neither is Fuerte, nor Seth, nor Abel.
Putting your opponent in honest to god 50/50 isn’t street fighter, having no reason to play footsies because they just get in is not street fighter.
Last time I checked, SF was about positing and spacing (If I’m wrong, correct me, wouldn’t be the first time).
None of these characters have to worry about neither of those, why worry about spacing when you can just roll, run, super jump burn kick, or full screen dive kick to get in?
In the words of Filipino Champ:“Whoooo, it’s like I’m playing Marvel!”
“Putting your opponent in honest to god 50/50 isn’t street fighter”
Vega in SF2 had a very annoying 50/50 game with his wall dive.
Actually, every character in SF4 (and in any SF game) can put you in 50/50 - after a KD, every character can: jump, empty jump and throw, cross up (with a few exceptions), meaty, or just block. The opponent has to guess - wake up blocking or reversal. So yes, this is a part of Sf game too. It always was.
Viper is a SF character, simply because she is in a SF game. She doesn’t play the traditional Ryu-style of gameplay, but neither does many other characters.
Btw, Abel is no way in the same league as Viper and seth. He actually has to play footsies. On the other hand, what about Ibuki ? or even Blanka ? (another classic SF character) ?
Sure thing, pal.
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Yes, they don’t need footsies, but every character needs spacing, Viper can’t just throw out random seismos and horrible spaced super jumps and attempt to win, they’ll just eat a jump-in or a DP, again, you guys make it seem like Wolfkrone and Latif just bash their faces on the stick until they beat Daigo.
Not every character needs the same things in Street Fighter, 50/50 situations are not something that only Fuerte, Seth, Abel and Viper have, those characters are Street Fighter characters too because while those character archtypes didn’t exist before SFIV, the situations they get you in and the tools they have (extreme 50/50’s, crazy mobility, etc…) have always been in Street Fighter, but with different names or sprites.
Also, everything Emmanuelb said.
What’s wrong with Blanka, he LOOKS stupid, but he isn’t.
Ibuki, yeah…Forgot about her.
Juicebox Abel himself said that that Abel doesn’t have to play footsies to get in, it’s just the safer option.
Also, a Ryu 50/50 is NOT a real 50/50, have you ever played a Ryu, and you couldn’t make an educated guess on what he was going to do?
With Viper, there’s no educated guess, there’s just a guess, the same with Abel, the same with, EL, the same with Ibuiki.
Have you ever heard on stream “Here comes the Ryu 50/50?” I haven’t (If you have, I need to see it, not the first time I’ve been wrong)
There are plenty of characters who don’t play like Ryu but are playing SF, Juri, Hakan, Rose and Vega are prime examples.
They play NOTHING like Ryu, but still, y’know, have to play footsies, control space, and actually have to worry about being put in the corner.
Now that’s a first.
i dont know what exactly makes me so pissed when i look at Blanka but hes been pissing me off since SF2
He really isn’t that dumb.
He has a few gimmicks, but unlike OTHER characters, his entire gameplan isn’t a stupid guessing game.
i dont know man its hella stupid when a blanka player is mashing lighting while i put him in a block string or a combo.It just looks dumber than mashing DP
I hate that none of these moves were added in during the update (especially Dan’s badass command grab).
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So if I predict that Ryu will try to throw me then it was an educated guess, but if I predict an splash from El Fuerte then it’s just a lucky break?
They have more options when knocking you down, yeah, that’s SF too, and even if it wasn’t on previous Street Fighters, it is now, deal with it.
I want to let you know that just because a character has options to do something, doesn’t make it their gameplan.
A gameplan is determined by the user of the character.
If I wanted to, I could play blanka like a braindead 50/50 character, I could also play footsies with crimson viper and seth.
I’m sorry, you are actually terrible at sf4 so I’d recommend you stop acting like you know what you’re talking about, no offense.
If you actually learned how to play a character like el fuerte or c. viper, you could learn the spacing/timing of when they’ll cross up
hakan has plenty of 50/50’s and gimmicks. what are you smoking austin?
How would you go about playing footsies with Viper?
She has what, crouching forward, and that’s it.
And characters can have gameplans.
Chun’s game plan is to keep you mid range, where her sweep is dangerous.
Rose’s gameplan is to anti footsie.
Vipers gameplan is knockdown, make the person guess.
That’s her gameplan, that’s what she does, and no one would argue that point.
And I’m cool with that, Makoto does that, and how she does it, along with other things that don’t make her fit.
Isn’t the point of SF to defeat your opponent, not to press buttons and hope you win?
Are you really beating your opponent when you start burn kicking every which other way?
I’m not saying she’s broken, or unbeatable, I’m saying it doesn’t feel like she belongs in this game, missing the point of it. (Like I said before, correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t SF about positioning and spacing, why should she and a few others not have to deal with it, why do they get an almost free pass?)
I’m not saying she doesn’t take skill, hell, if she didn’t everyone would play her.
For Rhombus.
Let’s say ryu gets a SRK on you, and he throws you on your wakeup, fine, let’s think of all the things he could have done instead while being on the same side. (Throw out a meaty, nothing(If I’m missing something tell me).
Now, how to defeat that, crouch tech.
If they go for an overhead, fine, stand tech.
Hell, you could backdash if they’re just sticking out shorts everywhere.
Now, let’s say Viper gets a knockdown, here is where things differ.
You don’t know which side she’ll burn kick, or if she’ll even burn kick, and you honestly have to guess.(To reply to Thejohn, even if you play viper, you don’t know everytime she’ll go, because that’s not you playing the character, that’s someone else, who thinks different than you.)
Those 3 sentences on the top make no sense, pressing buttons and hoping to win = being unskilled, then you say that she needs skill, make up your mind.
Yes, Viper’s options after getting a knockdown are bigger than Ryu’s, doesn’t take away the fact that you have to guess against Ryu too, there’s more things to take into consideration against Viper than against Ryu (and most characters in the game), but the guessing game still exists.
Yes, Street Fighter is MOSTLY about positioning and spacing, but as I have said (and you have apparently ignored) there’s always been mechanics like these in Street Fighter and characters (like Viper, ST Vega, etc…) who abuse them, so to call Viper “not SF” is to call Vega “Not SF” too, hell, you could be saying Alpha 3 isn’t Street Fighter because you can V-ism everything into a shitton of damage and create crazy setups or guard breaks, you may not like those mechanics and that’s cool, you don’t have to like everything in the game, but they are Street Fighter characters and games.