Wrong. Only Aegis got nerfed and his tackles where messed with. Temporal Thunder and Tyrant Slaughter got damage boosts and you could juggle a HELLUVA lot more with CFJ Urien.
How the hell is Ryu nerfed in CFJ? He’s got stupid damage output and can take on anybody in that game sans Jedah.
I read an OLD tier list of Virtua Fighter 4 Final Tuned a while back and it had Akira in the mid tier. Considering he was definitely top tier (perhaps even #1 if used to the full potential) in VF4 Evo, would that be considered a nerf? VF’s balanced enough, though, so this may be moot.
IN OTHER NEWS…
Johnny GGX->Johnny GGXX (and everything that follows)
Dizzy GGX->Dizzy GGXX (and everything that follows)
Testament GGX->Testament GGXX (damn, was EVERYBODY in GGX nerfed for GGXX, etc.?)
Ken A2->Ken A3 (he was top in A2; in A3 nobody even talks about him)
Whip/Maxima KOF02->Whip/Maxima KOF03
Orochi team KOF97->Orochi team KOF98 and KOF02 (especially Orochi Shermie)
Wait, when did this happen? I always heard that her V-Ism was like the worst choice for her. Not to mention hard to do and only really worked in the corners.
And to whoever said Psylocke in MvC2. When did she get nerfed? She has only been in 3 games and I dunno about X-Men:COTA, and she struggled agianst pretty much everyone in MSH. At worst, she lost a few tools.
And Johnny from GGXX to GGXX #Reload got hurt pretty bad.
Not to long ago, all because of some new found VC, there was quite a lot of talk about in the Alpha 3 thread.^^
Ryu aint got no dash no run no super jump nothing. I’m just going off of what I saw! Diago had Ryu of all people and got beat down by Anakeris and Karen. He was helpless.
I know Urien well in 3s and it seemed he sucked in Fighting Jam maybe I’m wrong though didn’t spend that much time on that game. The animation makes me mad.
If this was replying to me, what are you talking about? All I alluded to was that N. Sagat’s super is NOT good.
Also, you might want to learn to post before you do anything else.
In defense of Ryu and the other SF2 chars, Anakaris and Karin are in the top tier.
Anakaris is THE anti-shoto. Treat him like Sim with a backdash that allows him to escape corners, and the ability to nullify your ranged FB game by being able to grab you from 2 of your best ranges.
Karin is just stupid quick with comboable EVERYTHING into rekkaXXlaunch, and her braindead customs. I love the bitch, but they made it too easy for her.
Basically anyone that could control space quickly(Jedah, Kenji) or efficiently(Anakaris) was hard for the SF2 chars to beat without much more thought. One good thing that saved me is that the Jedah players for some reason liked getting close to Gief just to get headbutt XX dizzy XX SPD/FAB.
I was just quoting you because you said he was dishonorable. That’s the scrub mentality talking. You called him easy mode like as if you know what you’re talking about. Go to EVO2k7 and use O. Sagat and see how far you make it if he’s so easy. It’s that simple.
But, yeah, nice trolling technique there. Seriously, what is up with the retarded '06 members coming in here lately?
Who cares if it’s dishonorable? Unless you abuse a glitch (that’s downright shameful), you do what you can to win.
And don’t accuse someone else of being retarded if you aren’t even mature enough to use the word properly. Or at least have the dignity to use a better word.
And CFJ Ryu didn’t have some maneuvers and moves because due to the lack of effort on the game, Capcom copy/pasted the SFII characters right from CvS2 to CFJ.
Even so though, he’s still probably 3rd or 4th overall on the roster.
Chun from 3rd strike and Sakura from CvS2 definitely got nerfed.
I think not. Explain how DR Jin is weaker than 5.0 plz.
And to the person that said GGX Testament —> All GGXX versions of Testament, you are smoking crack. Plz explain why GGX Test is so good.
He sure as hell was NOT helpless. About everything he was lacking: you’ll notice the section he’s in on the select screen is labeled SF2…not alpha or capcom vs. Just Sf2. It’s Sf2 Ryu…with his cvs sprite.
damn your right, damn sprites
I’m surprised nobody mentioned Kof 95, Kyo,Robert,Ryo got wack in all them other Kof’s compared to that game.
Er Kof 94 and 95 stages n music was better than all the rest of them new grainy ones.
I used to use so much of my mommas change playing that shit.
Or about how about the sway in kof 95 to S groove:rolleyes:
oh the reaon I think 2nd Impact yang was better cause he could two in one his low strong, and the twins standing mid kick was sj cancelable from any range long as it touched you. Plus they both could do universal overhead(which was a fierce punch damage effect) and damn near combo a grab after it…and then he could combo his sa2 from the grab(knees)
Plus he could lock u down with all kinds of shit cause that game had no red parry.
And yes he WAS better he could combo low jab into low short into low forward into mantis slashes. That game was crazy. And that was nothing like Kyo in cvs2 thats a lot harder.
Also Ryus voice WAs the shit in 2i, sounded older like a real master
Ryu’s stage was nice too I miss those cherry blossom trees dont know why capcom got rid of that from the 1st sf3.
Hugo might have been better in 2nd impact because not only could he combo 4 jabs/high or low into Hammer he could throw u in the corner against the wal and keep juggling u with fierce claps until u were dizzy!! And then he could do it again! Down fall though u could throw him into supers like shippu jin rai,hado urt,reppa,and even Hyper Tornado! Thats wasn’t good for Hugo good thing they fixed that.
Last but not least MY NIGGA GUILE from WW compared to any other wack ass guile. Jab that shit, crouching fierce for anti air was too good.
Outro
Ralf between KOF 2002 and 2003. Lost so much priority…he seems quite capable in XI though.
Johnny went down 5 or so spots from GGX-GGXX…not exactly a huge drop…
Dizzy also dropped about 5 spots.
Testament wasn’t even high tier in GGX IIRC? So he didn’t really change much…
The bigger nerfs in the GG series were:
Johnny XX->#R dropped 10 spots
Dizzy #R->Slash dropped about 8 spots
Eddie #R->Slash Eddie dropped 15 spots
Robo-Ky #R->Slash dropped 15 spots
Everything else has been about 5 or less spots down between games.
I heard Justice went from near best to worst in Slash? I know it doesn’t really count since she’s banned in everything that counts, but still…
justice is pretty much the same between #r and slash. the nerf was between xx and #r.
While it was a sort-of necessary nerf since they were strong hidden characters in '97, it wasn’t that severe so as to warrant their inclusion here. It’s certainly no MvC->MvC2 Chun or 2i->3s Sean. O.Yash and O.Chris are still in the upper echelons of 2k2, and O.Yash rocks '98. O.Shermie takes a lot of work to win with, but is workable.
Sakura from CvS2 > CFJ was such a huge drop… All the way from top, to an engine that’s a cut and paste where she rests dead bottom.
Hm, well from what I have played, I would have to say:
King:
From any previous SNK game to her terrible counterpart in CvS2. Shame on you Capcom, Shame.
Athena:
From KOF2002 to KOF2003 then finally to XI, Athena has been on the downfall. Bad.
Obviously, a lot of the other more clear cut failures have already been pointed out.