What they are trying to do is turn him into Gouken.
uhm no if they increased blockstun it would be -2 on block aswell also cancels are done from active frames not recovery (unless you are using akuma’s u1 which actually can cancel from the recovery frames of normals)
both ways are possible but what im saying here is that if they actually altered the moves recovery frames then im pretty sure they would have stated that in the changelog instead of saying its just -2 now not to mention reducing its recovery would be stupid on a move as good as that
Well I finally had a good 6 hours with the latest Ultra build on the dev units from Capcom. Mostly I stuck
with Ryu, the cr.MK block stun is the same just you can walk forward and DP without Ryu flying in the air. It still happens
but I never had a problem with that in the first place.
The air tatsu buff is next to useless. Other than the U2 ultra (still has its faults) which seems to go into a animation a little
more Ryu is essentially the same.
btw: Rose is damn strong… over-buffed if you ask me!
ps. Anyone know how to get into training mode on the dev unit builds ? Its not on the menu but someone got it up.
So cl. st. hk doesn’t beat all of Rose wake up options anymore? I was catching a ton of Roses with that move.
It still works. I just find her moves a little safe if the player knows how to use her really well. i.e. space the
soul spiral to hit on the edge and its safe. Maybe it was my lack of fighting top rose players.
ct st hk will nor work against wake up ex spiral from rose.
however you can do a cr lp os throw. it will grab it.
basically rose will either wake up ex spiral and you can grag or she will wake up back dash…
an opion will not cover all her move.
how do you do cr lp os throw exactly?
you can either do cr lp st lp+lk fast. it will cancel the cr lp with a st lk in guard and do cr lp into throw in wiff.
Or you can do cr lp, work on your timing and do throw just at the end of the timing of a wiffed cr lp.
as cr lp on guard add some frame of hit stun, you have to do your throw during this window.
second method is better as you can’t combo from a st lk with ryu.
However first method is easier to perform
Close HK beats everything except wake up super and Ultra 1 from Rose. Chances of Rose having either is rare since Rose players almost always use U2 and anybody having a full super bar is just not that common. In my experience I think Rose players are probably the 3rd least likely to block on wake up after Bison and Viper players. I basically give up every other option I have and just do cl. HK on their wake up now because they’re always trying to back dash or EX spiral on wake up. And no matter how many times it works, they refuse to sit there and block. I once had a Rose player who switched to Ultra 1 just to threaten me with a move that will beat cl. HK on wake up so I would back off after a knockdown lol.
But yeah, I hate Rose as well. I main Evil Ryu though, so I think he has it a little harder against her than Ryu does. I really hope that HK tatsu connecting twice after EX SRK, FADC though. It’s expensive, but at least the damage would be worth it. It’s like he always has access to Ultra if it actually works.
Ex spiral is now invulnerable till it hit. so it will beat st hk in ultra version.
that good for rose because she was in the past force to block. now you will have to make some choice.
EX spiral also lost throw invincibility. I read how you said it can be thrown with a proper OS, but I guess this means it can be thrown on start up now. This makes it a lot easier to pressure her on wake up because her own fear of being thrown will make her much more predictable on wake up. Besides back dashing like they always do, they might actually block more on wake up now. She may be better overall, but her wake up got worse IMO and a lot of Rose players feel the same way.
Is anyone else scared as fuck of charge characters now? I feel like Vega, Chun, Guile and Balrog are gonna body Ryu free. I hate when people turtle with these characters and things are only gonna get worse in Ultra since they are all getting major buffs meanwhile Ryu gets a useless air mp combo WOOPTY-FUCKING-DO!!! THANKS COMBOFIEND YOU LYING PIECE OF SHIT!
Sorry had to get that out. Just played a long set with another turtling taunting asshole Vega. Yes I’m mad.
As Ryu-Dictator-Gief player, wait to see Dictator exSK 
I don t understand why rose player are not happy with this change.
that true that in the corner rose is in a bad situation, but she was in a bad situation before too…
in ssf4 rose wake up, you do st hk. rose can only guard. you safe jump os shory, rose can only guard or Fa back dash( that you can counter on reaction with walking forward sweep especially once you realize it s her only escape.)
in Usf4, she can at least do ex spiral… it will beat the st hk and the os shoryu. as ryu you will have to at least think that she got some option that beat yours.
that not the case in ssf4.
safe jump os throw to beat ex spiral , allow wake up back dash for rose.
safe jump os shoryu allow wake up ex spirale.
Yeah I agree with this, Bison is always tricky to fight. He appears very strong in Ultra and
will cause all fireball characters problems.
Another character we going to have problems with is Elena. She has a fast slide that travels 70 percent across the screen
and straight under fireballs. Her back dash is the fastest in the game and her ultra gets her a lot of energy back… I used it 2 times in
a round.
The thing with our fireball is its becomes a handicap in some match ups. Your opponent just gets in the correct
range… waits just outside sweep range waiting for the fireball to jump combo you into to a massive damage.
Also Hugo B+HP has armour now. He can do good pressure and SPD you for good damage.
Oh and Chun seems incredibly fast - thats going to be a hard matchup!
My verdict on Ultra Ryu : Hes exactly the same as AE. So a lot of our matchs ups got harder!
Another thing: -5 DP FADC.
If they are going to keep this in, then maybe they could make it fairer and have it so everyone is -5 when they do
an FADC special on block.
That includes Yun, Dudley, Balrog, Chun, Bison etc. You get the idea, why do the shotos have to suffer.
lol half those characters can’t even fadc their special.
Well it was just an example.
Look at the MP DP it has 34 frames of recovery. Half of the cast don’t haven anything as bad when a move is blocked.
But they also have moves and properties to compensate for deficiencys, eg more stun (Dudley), dive kick (Yun), low recovery specials (Bison).
I am watching this ultra exhibition and Combofag is gushing over all the buffs Ken got as well as all the other characters. Seems like Ryu is the only character that is getting shit on this is so infuriating!
How much will delayed wakeup hurt Ryu? A lot of his overall game revolves around knockdowns and safe jump/os pressure.