Whoa there…the clen will be 2 weeks on 2 weeks off…for reasons you already stated…the prop/tren cycle will be 8-10 weeks…10 weeks if sides aren’t bad…but tren can be harsh…and for the cycle the injections will be EOD (every other day) or mon/wed/fri…
And you get drug tested for powerlifting?? Is it the same testing for bodybuilding?? Cuz we both know IFBB pro’s aren’t natural by any means…
ah that’s not so bad then, should work well. clen is strong but you adapt to it and then it does nothing but drain your bank account.
yeah 10 weeks on tren might be tough to pull off unless you’re lucky and dont get any sides going on.
ive heard some people say liquid clen is a bit unpredictable; but others have found it just fine; not something i think i’d every try though.
Depends on the division. The naturals get tested.
The great thing about this cycle is I’m only using short esters and the compounds are limited to 2…so if I’m seeing sides like bloat/water retention or early signs of gyno I know it’s the prop, cuz tren doesn’t aromatise…so I can just throw in an AI like aromasin or arimidex ( I may use one of them from the start) And if I must, I can just abort the cycle all together and since they both have short half lifes it will be out of my system really fast…
Wish me luck…this cycle will be pretty hardcore…more than I’ve ever done…
The lamest people in the world are those who use and enter natty competitions after the esters clear. These are the truely insecure people…
I say, people at Golds Gym must have ADD.
Do they really have to scream when they lift weights? :lol:
I was doing chest press and some random guy comes up and goes "hey Can I get a rep
in with ya?"
Theres about 5 other Chest press machines and he wants to use the weights in using, then he picks it up and starts lifting and yelling…
" YAAARAAAHH!!!" “AAAHHH!!” “RAAAAHA!!”
(translation)
“I WANT ATTENTION!!! LOOK AT MEE, LOOK AT MEE, LOOK AT MEEEEE!!!”
:lame: 
Shit, I know what you mean. This dude was on flat bench yelling his ass off, and I’m thinking he must be benching 300+, and when I turn and look, he’s a stick figure beching 135! :lol: I’m all for exhaling as you push/pull, but c’mon…
I don’t know what’s worse, the show offs, or the fucking new year’s resolosers. They have no fucking concept of gym etiquette; working out directly in front of dumbell racks, sitting at a piece of equipment and just talking on their cell, filling up their water bottle at a water fountain with a line of people behind them waiting, etc. I hate this time of year. It’s crowded full of people who have no hope because they lack the willpower and discipline to stick with any kind of regimen.
Stupid comments like these two really just piss me off. Do you really think Gold’s is the only gym with screamers??
And the comment on steroids…have you ever done a cycle?? I can answer that…NO…otherwise you would know the difference between anger and being aggressive…and anxiety is a side effect of gear now too?? That’s news to me…And giving ur heart a drug induced apotosis??? Medical studies I’ve read state that although the left ventricle can become TEMPORARILY enlarged, heart function remained UNAFFECTED…
And shrinkage of what? If ur speaking of testicular atrophy then yes that sometimes happens on longer cycles…but compounds like HCG combat such, but ur dick doesn’t shrink at all…and ur sex drive goes thru the roof…
does anyone have a bowflex
No…But thats where I workout at . I didnt say Gold was the only gym filled with screaming.
I dont use steriods, Its not worth it, When you start putting such substances in your body
you’re putting yourself at risk,no matter how long you use it. even at short term it can weaken your liver, heart etc.
http://www.bio.davidson.edu/people/vecase/SeniorColloquium/04/Kim%20P/pg%202%20Creatine.htm
Like I said many pages back… there is >NO< easy way to get in shape.
You have to do it the HARD way.
-There are no shortcuts.
-There are no substitute for exersise.
-There is no healthier way to live other than eating the right foods.
-Suppliments are not replacements for real food…
-Read the ingredients to whatever supplement you buy and check to see if it has anything that might cause a health concern ( like stuff with Ephedra in it)
If i can lose 10 lbs and increase my strength without using Steriods then anyone can.
I also found this;
http://www.skiplacour.com/killing.htm
Canada’s the place to be right now…Hate Free.
What made you move to the states?
I actually started to read the first link you posted on steroids…but when the very first fucking statement I read was completely ass backwards…I lost interest. ANABOLIC = GROWTH…ANDROGENIC = MASCULINIZING.
Don’t believe all the bullshit you read about steroids…I read one time that steroids were developed in the 1930’s by german scientists to put meat on cows.
Not all steroids are harmful to ur liver, 17C Alpha Alkylated substances like winstrol and other oral steroids will affect liver values but if taken in conservative amounts for short periods of time with the proper liver care products…healthy individuals will be fine.
Medical studies showed that AAS user’s left ventricle could increase in size up to 25%…heart function, however, remained unaffected, and that it would return to normal size after 6 months off…unless HGH was used in conjunction…
I was 16 when my dad and I moved down here eons ago, and now I’m married.
It’s a different world here than it was back home, that’s for sure. People are way more stressed around here.
Nowadays most people educated on the subject take supplementary medications to combat the negative side effects of steroids. There are journals on the bb.com forums where the guys on cycle get their liver values checked bi monthly and everything is fine. Like I’ve been saying all along, steroid use isn’t dangerous when taken properly, as with any drug on the market. It’s the abuse that makes headlines, and the government demonizes it cause it can’t heavily tax steroids… coughcoughtobaccocough…
Coughcoughcoughweedcough
:lol::lol:
Random question: Why do they keep putting Arnold Swhartz. 60’s/70’s pictures
on the front of Muscle Fitness all the time? Is it because he was the biggest of his time?:wonder:
But then theres that Lou ( original Hulk) guy.
BLAH BLAH BLAH, does it make you feel more safe and secure to back yourself up? There’s no other way to look at it, steroids are not healthy. You just said, medical studies showed that blah blah could increase your left ventricle up to 25%. Please explain to me how this can be considered healthy. When you can’t have kids in 5 years and are on constant mood swings of anger and depression, remember that it was all worth it. You’re just too fucking LAZY to get big without steroids, you fuckin pussy!
someone post what they eat every day. I just need a good picture of where to start. The problem is i have no idea what to eat to get in shape and healthy. I’m 5 feet 5 and 165. I would like to get down to 145-150. Thanks.
Are you still here?? Saying the same dumb shit?? What really IS healthy?? Run me through your weekly extra curricular activities and let’s see how healthy they are. I don’t think that steroids are necessarily GOOD for you, or will net me a longer lifespan…but for me and my new career, it’s a necessary evil, and approaching it in the most intelligent manner possible is all I can do.
God people act like steroids kill millions every year…but in all reality, they are PRESCRIBED on a daily basis to people for a variety of reasons. My friend has low test levels and his doctor is going to put him on a heavy dose of test…now ask yourself this…if steroids are SO DANGEROUS…WHY WOULD HE BE PRESCRIBING THEM??? In the united states there are an estimated 1 million people on the juice RIGHT NOW…why not more documented cases of “roid rage” leading to domestic violence?? Why not more documented deaths that can SURELY be linked to steroids?? Does it just catch up to you one day when ur 40?? Well what about Arnold…and Franco Columbo…and Sergio…and Lou Ferigno??? Why aren’t they dead yet?? They were freakin SCIENCE PROJECTS!!!
Hey Biggzy, would you call arnold a pussy?? Or ronnie coleman?? Or Jay Cutler?? Are those guys just big pussy cheaters too??
And If I’m so lazy then why would I have put the time into the extensive research I’ve done?? And why is it that I can count on one hand how many days I’ve missed in the gym in the past 2 years??
You are a fucking tool…you won’t even back ur own ridiculous statements up, you just fucking shut up until ur ready to start shit again…
Hi guys. I’m looking to join a gym. So I’m wondering how much you guys pay for your memberships per month, or if you have an annual or lifetime membership, so I can get a rough idea of whats good when I start shopping. I’m looking to join something like 24 hour fitness right now.
I basically want a gym with:
free weights
workout benches / benchpress setups / squat setups / etc…
open late (I usually dont get off work until after 7 pm, also Im way too tired to work out in the morning)
Basically I want a place I can do weight training.
I recently graduated from UW, which had the BEST gym in like the entire planet, not only had a weight lifters paradise, but it also came coomplete with swimming pool, basketball court, boxing, track, and racquetball.
all for the low low price of 35$ every 3 monthes. Obviously I’m not going to get anything remotely as good in the real world.
so give me some input. The only other thing that really matters to me is that I dont like to wait in a long line for a bench, so I want a gym that is relatively free of crowd around 8-11 pm, which is when I’ll come in. obviously i’ll just have to visit each gym to see when peak hours are…
edit: about a few monthes ago I hurt my back while weightlifting. Its not really a pain per se, but there’s this tickling sensation in the back of my upper left shoulder blade. It tingles every time I bench press / shoulder press / skull crusher / upright row / etc… basically i decided to stop working out for a while to let it heal.
i wouldn’t say it hurts, but theres definitely something wrong with it. it doesn’t feel right. i’m pondering going to see a doc, but i’m not insured right now so dont wanna waste money. i’m thinking if i just wait another month it should heal up?
