Aaah so that’s why my save game got deleted all the time, that’s interesting, didn’t know that.
Woah, what’s Akuma Mode? I’ve unlocked Survival and Time Attack modes and the Gallery, but I’m not familiar with Akuma Mode. And I have won every single round, and still nothing happened. Is it possible that you can’t face Gouki as an arcade mode CPU opponent in Revival? I’ve noticed if you face him other than arcade mode, he has his own stage but on the map there are only two Japan spots. Can you make out anything from your book, aerialgroove? Has anyone fought him in the arcade mode?
Note: I thought this was common knowledge by now, but the most common abbreivation of Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo: Super Street Fighter 2 X: Grand Masters Challeneg is simply SSF2T or, more commonly, ST.
re: Fighting Akuma in ST
Actually, I heard that to fight him, you only need to not lose any rounds against the first 3 bosses (Balrog, Vega, Sagat). I know I’ve fought Akuma in the Saturn version of ST while continuing before. Dunno if that’s how it is in GBA version of Revival…
Sano:
Couple things:
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Since when are there “no audience members” for a [sanctioned?] street fight in a World Warrior tournament?
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Concerning Bison… I think it has less to do with him using/not using Psycho POwer and more to do with game design. For the Alpha series, Capcom made Bison emulate his SF2 anime counterpart, which is why he got the bigger body, the projectile, the teleport, always had the cape on, etc. However, I think everyone (including Capcom themselves) always preferred his original “Psycho Crusher as a special move” self over his Alpha version.
This is why, when they redesigned himfor CvS1, they gave him a form similar to his original self, but kept the good stuff that Alpha Bison had. The only thing CvS Bison doesn’t have from Alpha Bison is the projectile, which a ) CvS Bison really didn’t need, and b) they would have had to change the motion, since it overlapped the motion for the Psycho Crusher. His FB was unneceessary and really didn’t fit his gameplay design, so they just chucked it.
BUt storywise, I don’t think there’s really a difference in figthing style between SFA3 Bison and SF2 Bison. Perhaps in story, SF2 Bison has less power than SFA3 Bison, but his fighting style is still the same. The only change we know of for Bison from SFA3 -> SF2 is the lack of a projectile. I thikn it’s more of a gameplay reason why he doesn’t have it in SF2 (and more modern fighters), but for all we know, he still has the ability to use it.
I undestand that M. Bison held/hosted the SF2 tournament to show that he’s the world’s greatest SFer, destroy his enemies to prevent them from interfering w/ his plan for world domination, etc. However, I remember thinking for the longest time that he hosted the SF2 tournament in order to recruit SFers (by force, if necessary) to aid him in ruling/taking over the world. That’s why he’s always searching for, observing, and gathering info on SFers all over the world, right? Is that his motivation only during the SFA series or is it just complete crap (false)?
Thanks.
There’s not really any reason for that motivation to not exist even with the Zero series (although it was more evident before with the possible cyborgs in several stages), since Vega’s still a power-hungry megalomaniac. However, revenge would now be a new motivation to hold SF2 with the events of the Zero series having occured.
Yeah, I suppose you’re right. Speaking of the monitor cyborgs, it’s kinda’ weird/cool that they included them in that poster w/ the whole SF cast, when they’re from a noncanon animated movie.
EDIT: The monitor cyborgs are present in certain stages?? Where? Which game?
"Actually, I heard that to fight him, you only need to not lose any rounds against the first 3 bosses (Balrog, Vega, Sagat). I know I’ve fought Akuma in the Saturn version of ST while continuing before. Dunno if that’s how it is in GBA version of Revival…
Sano:
Couple things:
- Since when are there “no audience members” for a [sanctioned?] street fight in a World Warrior tournament?"
In SF2 Revival you still might not get to actually fight him due to the Gouki Glitch.
I don’t know how you unlock Akuma Mode. Perhaps it’s time released? I just did it.
- Are you saying the Cameras for the Stages with no Audience Members is somehow in front of the Audience? Or there are no cameras? Hmmm. When Studio Udon changed the location of Ryu and Sagat’s fight in the Comic, Capcom of Japan Okayed this because Udon wanted people present watching the fight. When Masahiko Nakahira did the Ryu vs. Sagat fight, again, there were no people present. Me personally, if I don’t see audience members in the stage I feel they are not there and the fights are monitored using some sort of technology.
That was my assumption. I kinda’ wish Capcom made SF2 seem more like it took place within a tournament. I also wish they added in pre-fight dialogues to Super Street Fighter II Turbo: Revival. They could’ve given each character 1 or 2 designated mid-bosses. That wouldn’t have been too much work.
What poster? Haven’t seen that one yet, I only know one poster witht the monitor Cyborg and that is from the SFIIAM game. Is the poster by Udon (don’t have the latest issues yet)? Thanks.
He’s talking about that Picnic Poster that has almost every SF Character Multiple Times. It’s one of the Arcade Flyers. The Monitor Cyborg is there because he is from the SF2AM Game.
Need to check SF2 Revival for the Akuma Mode and see what’s up with it, what exactly I’m remembering there.
Sorry, I may have spoken too hastily and should’ve said possibly. The Fanbook does suggest that the ice man in Chun Li’s stage (SF2-SSF2X) might be a monitor cyborg because he never seems to leave his position there. The trenchcoat figure in Ken’s stage for SF2-SF2DT that we speculated to be Q a while ago might be another (just my opinion though). From the same book that I translated the “early accounts” of Vega and Gouki in SFZ, it tells that Shadoloo operatives (may or may not be human, I lean towards not) are definitely all over the world just like monitor cyborgs are in the movie, and they take all sorts of occupational disguises. I want to confirm this info with some other sources first before I deem it official.
That’s alright. That sounds really interesting. Thanks a lot. It sounds like the monitor cyborgs might be actual characters in the official storyline. It’s just that I find it a little strange that M. Bison held/hosted a fighting tournament only to get revenge. I’m sure that’s one of the reasons, but I tend to think there’s more to it than that. He still wants to take over the world. In his ending, he says “No one is left to interfere with my scheme now!”. He wanted to defeat/kill his enemies in order to prevent them from thwarting his plan for world domination (again). The thing you mentioned about the shadaloo operatives might explain how Shadaloo kept track of/recorded the SF2 tourney matches.
Alright this had nothing to do with the discussion right now but i wanted you guys opinion on it. Whenever we talk about SFI everybody always says that Retsu beat a sick Gen and went easy on Ryu. Why do people think this. I know that Retsu was supposed to be REALLY STRONG, but i think a lot of times we forget how good Ryu is. We have already stated on this site in the past that even though SF storyline is hard as shit to figure out, but the power tiers are kinda easy because they are very accurate on who fights who. Now in Alpha 2 Ryu faught Gouki holding back. And So did Gen. Now to the best of my knowledge and correct me if i’m wrong in Alpha 3 Gen again fights Gouki while Gouki is holding back. The reason i say this is because I think if they wanted to portray Gouki and Gen as equals i think they would have had Gen’s boss be Shin Gouki, like SNH Ryu’s boss is. So to make a long story short i believe Ryu is a lot stronger than we give him credit. I personally believe that Retsu was stronger thna him in SFI but not by that much. Well reply and give opinions. Holla!
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It’s not a fact or anything. It’s merely saiki’s own personal theory. I’m still not sure if I agree w/ it or not. Think what you want. Anything’s possible, I suppose. I’m gonna assume that Gen possesses/possessed more skill/technique than Sagat. Therefore, if Ryu almost lost to Sagat, than I doubt that Ryu could defeat Gen, unless his illness prevented him from fighting to the best of his ability. How long had Gen been sick w/ leukemia anyways? Man, I’m confused. Sorry I couldn’t give you a more in-depth answer.
Not that it matters, but was is it really Sagat who *hosted * the SF1 tournament?? Just 'cuz he held the title of “world’s strongest” at the time doesn’t mean he organized it. Ryu entered the SF2 tournament w/ as the SF champion and he didn’t host it. If it’s stated somewhere, then I’ll just shutup. If not, then whatever. I’m just curious. How did Sagat receive the title of “world’s strongest”??
As far as I know, Sagat did host SF1, and I speculate he did it out of swelled ego and in effect extend competition beyond just the circle of Muay Thai fighters, something apparently no one before him had ever done. AAC says that at the time he was perhaps the world’s strongest male bare-handed fighter. Everyone else who hears the names later on simply knows Sagat as the “national Muay Thai hero”, and Ryu as the “man who defeated Sagat”. You don’t hear them called champions or world’s strongest fighters, although before the Zero series came along, Sagat did boast that he was the world’s #1.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Capcom retconned the monitor cyborgs from the movie into actual canon characters. Though saying that there actually were monitor cyborgs in the actual SF2 backgrounds is just as stupid as saying that Q was in Ken’s background. Even if Capcom retconned that to be true, it still doesn’t mean that those characters actually appeared in the SF2 games.
re: audiences
I’m inclined to believe that all WW sanction fights - i.e. fights that determine who moves up the tournament ladder - have at least one witness. Even if it’s just some guy with a mop sweeping up the bathroom (Honda’s stage) or something. Don’t let the SF2 movie fool you, because a lot of those fights were not really in a tournamen-type setting. The fight with Ryu vs. Sagat in the beginning of the movie had a great atmospheric scene, but it made no sense that no one witnessed it.
Well, why not? Does it really matter? Who said they *were *? Whether there were monitor cyborgs or shadaloo operatives present, *someone * must’ve been keeping track/recording those SF2 tournament matches.
Ok 1. Ultima is right, all that stuff with the monitor Cyborgs in SFII is crap. Of course Capcom can now claim that this or that character is a cyborg (they all move like robots in 16 Bit games) but at the time the games were released they were meant to be just average people.
2. They didn’t spend any thoughts on the topic, they just show people fighting at all sorts of unusual places and it doesn’t matter to them if anybody in the game sees it, if Capcom made a movie themselves they would just change the stages and put people in there, or the word of a fighter would be enough to believe them who won and who lost but when they made the games they didn’t care about it at all.
3. That’s not a poster, it’s just a page in a secret file, it’s not even big, and it shows all monitor cyborgs from SFIIAM but not the purple one from the game.
4. I’ll check for Gouki’s stage in SSFIIXR later.
5. The guy who rips 3rd Strike sprites has all Gill files now, what is Gill doing in his intro? Does he give Kolin something?
http://www.newwavemugen.com/~zweifuss/gill/gill-intro.gif
:rolleyes: Gee, ya think? Capcom isn’t clever enough (nor do they care about the storyline enough) to think up something like that ahead of time. They can’t predict the future. Capcom comes up w/ most of their storyline info after the fact. How is this any different? I don’t understand yer argument.
Yeah, this has already been established. It’s just a videogame, afterall. What’s yer point?
Well I don’t own it, so I wouldn’t no. My B.
Well, that’s what it looks like. The question what he’s giving to her. Perhaps it’s the POWER OF MIRACLE!!!11…seriously, I dunno.
Gill giving Kolin that book is yet another thing inspired by Masahiko Nakahira’s Ryu Final Manga. I think it was a book that detailed different fighting styles or something, I forget.
vasili10 - Do you happen to know what the book Gill gave to Kolin in Ryu Final was about?
In SF2 Revival you have to unlock Time Attack Mode to fight Gouki whenever you want. According to Gamefaqs, all you have to do is get 500-1,000 vs. Points or beat the game twice. Anyway, since it’s in Time Attack Mode, it’s one round, you can take as long as you want so long as you defeat Gouki.
Also in Time Attack Mode there’s another set up where you fight Ken, Ryu and Gouki back to back to back in an attempt to shut down Ansatsuken forever!:lol:
Then there’s one where you fight 8 characters back to back (not necesarily the original 8 just none of the Bosses), another where you fight the Four Bosses back to back, and another where you fight Everybody back to back.