Just saying i’ve been around addicts of all walks of life. You abuse your dopamine system and then bam, addiction.
I’ve been addicted to
Porn
Sugar (still kind of am)
The Internet (the ability to know anything at anytime is quite addictive and this actually affected my personal life)
All i can say is, like most of the drug and alcohol abusers, was addicted because it felt good. I know for a fact that if I take a drug i am going to be addicted as fuck. Shit, I’ve ended up not going to parties, movies, and shit with friends because the new porn i found was just to hot and i NEEDED to masturbate. Imagine me on cocaine? gone.
Crazy psycho herpes hooker chick I posted about awhile ago, was addicted to painkillers. For her, it wasn’t an addiction, she literally was just taking her medicine. She just happened to ALWAYS be in pain. No amount of logic and arguing would convince her what she was doing was wrong. Should she go to jail for her drug use? What good does that do anybody?
Really? You don’t say. Never in my wildest dreams would I have ever conceived that it would be easier to quit something that didn’t actually have any actual physical addiction from the product being introduced INSIDE the body. I love when people who truly have never experienced addiction, try to tell other people how addiction really is. "oh man I knew a dude who was addicted to video games, so it must be easy for you to quit heroin without going through withdrawal symptoms. Man, it would be crazy if they invented a place where heroin addicts could safely get assistance with withdrawal and quitting their addiction gradually and safely, without fear of legal reprisals, and with trained professionals instead of uneducated fucks like yourself.
You realize this is a major reason why people drink coffee right? For the effects that caffeine can have on the body. To ‘feel different’ as you so eloquently put it. Very few drugs actually cause hallucinations for what it’s worth, and the reason people take those drugs is due to their legendary way of opening one’s mind. Do I recommend people go out and do acid or mushrooms? Fuck no, that shit is scary as balls. Do I recommend people go out and do it in a controlled environment? Absolutely, I would say it’s as normal as alcohol in that aspect. And it does open your mind, nothing ever wrong with that.
Another factor is that people are already in pain. You think a heroin addict has a tremendous life they live, and then BAM suddenly they’re heroin junkies? Generally, they’re using the drugs to get away from the pain. Yeah, they are hurting themselves in the end, but the fact they even got to this point shows they need help in other aspects of their life. Locking them up in jail does nothing but compound these issues.
The amount of cocaine he would be sold would be regulated so he wouldn’t everdose. Also no chance of it being cut with dangerous ingredients by a greedy pusher. If he wants to turn 18 and do a line and ‘ruin his life’ that is his prerogative. We don’t jail people for spending all their time trying to get laid, or for playing video games religiously until they lose jobs and friends, or any other type of stupid lifestyle. Why do it with drugs?
LOL that’s not how drugs work. But good that all those War on Drugs videos Bush Sr and Reagan and MADD made, turned you into the intellectual you are now.
as opposed to the utter anarchy of “lock up people over things that humanity has been doing for several millenium” and thinking that arresting people and taking them to jail/court over their drug usage, has ANY effect on preventing other’s from using drugs in the first place, getting introduced to them, preventing drugs from being simply available, or any of the bullshit that gets spewed at you.
Nobody is saying I should be able to go to the corner store and pickup a package of Nestle Cocaine. The entire point of this would be to introduce a WORKING way of dealing with drugs, seeing as our current ways have done nothing but fail society as a whole for like a century now. Make their sale controlled and trackable and affordable. Give addicts and users access to REAL information about the drugs they are taking, how to safely handle/use them, and how to quit them, as well as why (besides idiotic reasons jackoff’s like yourself spout), while ensuring their safety and that of society.
You seem to think that making heroin legal somehow equates to everybody going out to try whatever new flavours of heroin come out, like Dorito’s and Mountain Dew. The entire point of making them legal is because having them illegal is meaningless. It doesn’t raise the price of the drug (it instead got cheaper and more affordable), it doesn’t prevent people from doing it (the same general amount of people have been doing it for ages), and it hasn’t stopped it from being made in the first place. If I want heroin now, I can get it. It would be illegal, but effectively there is NOTHING stopping me from getting it. So the law has done nothing, and doesn’t work.
It’s funny how many of you are about this unless it’s a drug you find morally repugnant. I like weed, but ban coke. Love coke, but attack heroin. Etc etc etc.
The reason having drugs won’t become criminalized in this country is because you judging assholes will never come together and ask for all drug possession to be legalized.
The war on drugs is bullshit. My father is an addict and he was in and out of prison when I was growing up. Decriminalize and treat these fucking people. Fuck the private prison system and take care of the American people god dammit.
I have had quite the response here. I always thought humanity as a whole agreed doing drugs was basically the worst thing you could do to yourself.
@pedoviejo
I love freedom, I don’t like a lot of laws that seem like they infringe on that but for some reason laws against drugs have always made sense to me maybe because all I’ve ever heard from anyone I considered qualified on the subject (doctors, ex-addicts) always said don’t fuck with drugs. Drink responsibly, preferably not at all, don’t smoke but whatever you do never ever do drugs not just one nothing.
You’re a great guy and all that but when it’s doctors vs you I’m gonna go with doctors.
Granted, addiction exists for everything a human being can do I bet you can find me someone addicted to baking cakes however the numbers of those (children included) where it’s a real crippling issue are substantially lower than those with drug issues.
You’re right I have no hard evidence but people that go on an atkin’s diet don’t run around shaking people down going “I need my fix”.
You just answered your own point, good time saver.
This whole aspect makes no sense to me. Just gonna level with you, I don’t really get it to have an opinion.
I get the first 3 but what do minorities have to do with drug legality? Anyone caught with drugs gets the fine or jail time or whatever.
You drive at 18, drink at 21.
Now who’s drinking the kool-aid? One vote doesn’t mean shit and there is no right choice at elections every one of them just wants to screw you.
I’m not saying ban every stimulant ever but look at the mental health of those who eat ice cream vs those who do drugs. It’s not even comparable.
But when it’s such a plainly bad choice can you blame me? I got the same talks about smoking, so I don’t smoke. Didn’t try it, don’t like to stand next to someone smoking and I’m better for it.
@SoVi3t
I think we’re all in agreement that prison time is the wrong punishment. Always were.
Don’t really need to be educated when you have the common sense to just never start. Of course it’d have trained professionals, I’m no doctor I’m just saying they should see doctors.
So according to you, everyone should try drugs? That’s hippie logic, I’d rather use medical science on the whole drug issue but I definitely understand the right to choose.
So get them to kick the habit and go into therapy. It’s what I do, you think my life is fucking fantastic? It’s fucking not, you wouldn’t believe the magnitude of responsibility placed on me. (I’m 22, I’m now forced to support my family of 6 by running a failing business I know fuck all about with no employees, no office, debt up to my eyeballs and strained relationships that reached their breaking point when I took over) Drugs are not the answer, therapy is covered under most insurance. Go talk to someone once a week about your problems and actually work at them instead of escaping through self harm.
You’ve completely misunderstood me, I never ever, ever, ever said jail was the correct solution.
Well it scared me off it, can’t say I’m not thankful for that.
I keep telling you, I never ever said prison was the answer. I said rehab was.
You make it seem like druggies are some kind of oppressed minority and again, I agree the current way is flawed. I feel like I could reply to your entire post with “I agree, prison isn’t the answer I never said it was.”
That’s how it is for cigarettes and alcohol.
Well jail doesn’t do shit for them so I thought why not replace jail with therapy?
Hallucinations? Nobody “hallucinates”. Hallucinations are actually symptoms of a person experiencing higher levels of awareness. When you open the Third Eye with certain drugs, you open a portal with your pineal gland/Third Eye to higher frequencies of Reality or higher dimensions.
Drugs are a personal choice and should be treated as such. Alcohol and smoking are also terrible for you, but you are legally allowed to participate in those practices. For every degenerate drug addict you see, I can show you another one who holds a straight job and doesn’t do shit that’s detrimental to society. Hell, a lot of our contemporary artists live off the stuff. Why are they allowed a pass but regular people are not?
Just like everything else in life, some can handle it while others cannot. Those who can should not be punished for those who cannot.
You are literally one of the only people I have ever seen that is this against any sort of “drug”. Doing drugs doesn’t make you a bad person, like wtf man. Drugs are a personal choice, and as long as they don’t directly cause harm to others then why care?
Most of humanity can’t think doing drugs is the worse thing you can do to yourself without being a complete hypocrite, because AT LEAST 90% of the human population does durgs, “hard” or not.
Think what you want, but caffeine, alcohol, sugar, theobromine (in chocolate), and nicotine are all widely used around the world, and all chemically alter your brain to release more dopamine for a certain amount of time, therefore making them “drugs”.
tl;dr You’ve grown up in a sheltered environment and have been misinformed about a lot of things, too much exposure to sensationalized media on the subject
I wasn’t trying to be “that guy” with the strawman argument, but I just felt it was necessary to state that almost everybody does some form of drugs, but many only talk shit about “hard” drugs because of what they’ve been raised/taught to understand about them.
I feel like Tweleve hit the nail on the head about you, and it’s probably just one of those things that you’re not going to change your mind about no matter what, so it’s pointless to argue at this point.
I you recent post, you have essentially proved that you aren’t knowledgable enough to have an informed opinion on the matter. The fact that you think professionals can help people who don’t want help, you need to experience more thigs.
that’s only people are fed bullshit, there so many worse things you can do to yourself, like keep yourself ignorant and stupid to the world around you.
they make sense because you had been led to believe by whatever that they make sense. For whatever reason: parents, society, religion, media.
You always hear about drug addicts running around nekid doing dumb shit.
Your parents and school telling you drugs are bad mkay becuase look at that crime!
Religion telling you drugs are bad mkay god said so, etc.
And you can’t take what doctors say at face value. There are a lot of doctors that sell you on bullshit overpriced drugs for money. Doctors, a lot of them that advocate shit, have an agenda, and there are plenty of sources backing this up (I understand how this also makes me look advocating for this supposed freedom of choice). Secondly, ex-addicts are the last people you want to base your laws around because they are people who didn’t know to respect the substance. They are the worst case scenario, and you get a bunch of dumb laws to prevent “worst case” scenarios. just because he was stupid, doesn’t mean everybody is going to be stupid about it. That’s like banning handguns because some idiot shot somebody.
do all doctors advocate the banning of drugs? Just because a doctor says don’t do drugs, doesn’t mean we need to ban them so people can head their warning. Police say ban guns, banning them because police say so is dumb. this is no diffrent
not really. There is an entire sector failing thanks to those little addictions children exhibit right? Not only is it crippling the economy, it’s going to cripple it further because it means foreign intelligence needs to be imported.
because sugar is there, at any one point they can easily go to any corner and buy a candy or whatever they need. Do I need to remind you that nations went to war and enslaved an entire group of people to get sugar.
I didn’t answer my own point. Sugar addiction becomes a mental addiction because we are hardwired to seek out sugar. The physical addiction is there, but it’s more mental, therefore it’s harder. I’m willing to wager that relapse to opioid addiction after the physical addiction is broken, is all mental. You are severely underrating the power of mental addiction.
fine, fair enough
A lot,
opium was banned because dirty “gooks” where luring white women to opium dens and raping them and turning them in to cock starved opium smoking whores.
marijuana was banned partly because “dirty sanchez’s” would lay around all day smoking being lazy and corrupting the hard working virtue of the American people, especially when there was mass immigration to the United States around the 20’s-30’s.
crack cocaine was banned because “niggers” where running around killing everybody, sucking dick for it, and killing innocent white people.
Why are the majority of drug convictions in the United States against minorities, specifically blacks? Why is “crack” cocaine punished much more severely (being a drug that done almost exclusively by black people) much more than the dominantly white cocaine offense? You are again showing your ignorance on the subject if you don’t know this, you think everybody is equal under the law for drug use, but that’s not the case. Heavy methamphetamine users (white), don’t’ get the same severity of jail time as “crack” users.
You aren’t supposed to drink, yet dudes still drink, why is alcohol legal? Why do we allow dumb kids to drive at 18 if they are incapable of understanding that texting, drinking, etc while driving is illegal? You are now shifting them goal posts.
You do know that Obeezzyyy won the election in 08 thanks to the children that where allowed to vote right? They carried him to victory. You also know they where again instrumental, along with my idiotic fellow Mexicans/Hispanics in re-electing him right? When your demographic is targeted and lied to, one vote turns to millions. Showing your ignorance again.
And there is usually a correct choice during election, period. You just don’t hear of it because you choose to listen to mainstream media.
yes it is.
Look at how much money is put into making fat people feel better about themselves
Loot at how much money is now being pumped into making sure sugar giants don’t target children
Look at how much money is going to be put on behalf of the tax payer to pay for the chronic issues of fat people in the next 5-15 years.
Look at how much money is being paid by the individual and tax payer to pay for disease associated with sugar consumption.
Yes it is, it doesn’t feel like that because you don’t have the government advertising it all the time, the media talking about drug king pings, the police saying how drugs are bad, or the school telling you not to do drugs. It feels like it’s a bigger issue, but it’s only this big because of media and government hype. All instigated by self righteous crusaders that want a bigger pay check. do you know how much this government spends of healthcare? Usually associated with disease and chronic issues attributed to unregulated sugar consumption?
Is it really? I do psychedelics, perhaps what’s viewed as in the “extreme” category of drugs.
I’m doing fine, I know my laws, I’m informed, I’m going to school and getting a degree that many would shy away from quickly, I can hold a conversation with my doctor regarding general health, I’ve never gotten a ticket for intoxicated driving, never driven intoxicated, I have my priorities straight, I’ve helped many people around me through really hard times
Is all that invalid because is do drugs? Is it a really a bad choice, because I’m doing just fine here.