I am 16, but from now on, I am going to be oldest man I can be.
The above post is consistent with my initial reading of the thread title:
“Viscant won evo and is coming out”
apologies if this was said earlier; I didn’t RTFT.
lol only this thread? SRK died in 2009, everyone knows that, and this is just the wasteland left behind we are trying to still call a civilization. =p
Good post DJ, Viscant is a cheap old man, and thank god.
On a side note though, cheapness aside; Couldn’t be more happy for the guy, he definitely earned his win in the end. Him and James Chen are always in that boat: There from the beginning, in the lab all the time, writing huge essays and dropping knowledge on everybody for free, yet never really able to take that grand prize and prove they really know their shit inside and out. Job well done, Jay… you cheap old fart.
I hate to be “that guy” but there’s already a huge thread on the srk main page on this exact subject.
Actually…I lied. I love being “that guy”. 
My comment was because if enough people are vocal enough then money talks and stuff gets changed to appease the consumer (see also: SSFIV AE patch that’s pretty much the direct result of people bitching about Yun and Yang). In most cases those changes are to the top tier. Now, nerfing the top tier is fine but usually the nerfing is done with a sledgehammer rather than a scalpel. Additionally as I will continue to bang on about it’s much more desirable to buff weaker characters than to weaken OP ones. The reason being that if you already know the threshold for “good” in your game why not bring more characters up to that level to diversify the cast. Personally I find MvC3 to be an enjoyable game. So far I am ambivalent on the changes (except for TAC, that mechanic can fuck right off) I’ve seen so far with regards to UMvC3 but if the nerf train speeds up any more then even with an infusion of new characters then there’s a good change that it’s going to be a less interesting game. Evo top 32 showed that most of the cast is viable, that Phoenix and Wolverine exploit X-Factor way better than any other characters and that Dante’s potential hasn’t even been tapped. To me that looks like a game that’s a few minor changes away from being at the ideal intersection of balanced-ish and interesting.
I was that guy in the first page of this thread. Look how many pages there is now.
Takes a lot of posts for you guys to let me know you think.
Plus…the “thread” you guys are talking about is more like responses to an article and the original article doesn’t exactly address anything past the fact that Viscant won Evo. Which from there of course it’s just people rambling back and forth about Viscant winning Evo.
My point is not just that Viscant won Evo but that generally you should not be ashamed to pick really good and annoying characters and play to your highest level with those good characters instead of just waiting for someone to put Chris, Joe and Thor all on the same team on a stream and hope they win a match for you. It’s about what WE should be doing now that he won.
Captain Commando’s assist (and all the others) were punishable on block. In MvC3, running it head first and mashing A is the only way to stop assists. You can’t blame the players for that.
Agreed. TAC is absolutely horrible, Dante’s potential is no where tapped, and fans how somewhat control in changing certain game mechanics.
Sorry, but discovering new technology, and team synergy doesn’t revolve around picking what people think is cheap, really good, and annoying. All the characters in this game except for the Darkstalkers, Arthur, Joe, and Thor can be real, real ‘cheap and good’. Hell, the game is still incredibly young and I am sure there are tons of things that have yet to be discovered and used. But, we are already getting Ultimate in three months, so we won’t find too much.
So, cause some guy won the tournament with Wesker/Haggar/Phoenix you want everyone to play them? What about if Royalflush won, would you tell everyone to pick M.O.D.O.K, Joe, Thor?
People play what they are comfortable with. If what they are comfortable with is “cheap and good characters”, then cool. If they aren’t, they aren’t. The problem is people bitching that they lost to “a cheap character” instead of putting in the time to get better with their own team, or try something different.
That’s not really what I was saying. I was basically saying what you were saying is that a lot of teams can be made to be cheap but I feel a lot of people don’t make their teams to cover all of their bases as the team runs down in characters or even when they have all 3 characters. It’s just if you want to win a major your team has to either be Viscant/Tokido cheap with a strong skill set, or be of almost perfect synergy with a strong skill set like ComboFiend. When it comes to the lower end of the characters though the team can have perfect synergy but it’s very likely you still won’t win a major with that team unless you’re J.Wong and nearly go troll with low tier teams like the old days.
Even ComboFiend’s team is on the “cheap and old” stuff because although the highest tiered character on the team is probably She Hulk the other 2 are pretty solid and Taskmaster’s assist is definitely a high tier assist. Spencer’s wire grapple assist helps with She Hulk combos also and he’s a top tier anchor IMO. It covers a lot of bases and is annoying in the cheap old fashion. Either way the team isn’t as cheap as Viscant’s.
It’s obvious Royal Flush would have never won Evo with that kind of a team. His assists for the team aren’t cheap enough and generally no one would be SO threatning with Thor 5 months into the game that they would win Evo. You don’t even have to think about that to know that wasn’t going to happen. That team is basically a weak 3 point man team. It’s a shitty version of Dante/Magneto/Wesker basically and even that team has better assists. I really like the team just because the characters on the team are creative but the assists on that team aren’t going to scare anybody from amounting an offense on Thor. Especially without at least one assist that can pick people up off the ground after his standard air throws.
One of the big issues with people’s team strategies is they aren’t protecting their point characters well enough with strong assists. You can’t have a character meant to be played on point backed up with characters that can’t really back the point character up unless they’re dead. There’s no reason to play Thor without having at least one cheap old man assist in the back (preferably 2 if you can help it since he has big health any way). That’s practically the whole point of the character.
I like the post, but can we please stop posting with obnoxious phrases that you may or may not be trying to put on a T-shirt to sell at Evo 2012 for $12? Please and thankee.
Ask and you shall receive.
Unless we’re on the internet. Oh wait…
Don’t forget the other players were pulling out just as many cheap old tactics as Viscant was. Jwong was hitting that A2 button for Akuma so hard I thought Psylocke was going to tear her way out of the screen and do an uppercut. Combofiend was playing Team Air Throw and PR Rog had the “classic” Dante + Tron duo with Wolverine as a backup cheap man for Dante.
The other players had their cheap stuff but it wasn’t quite cheap enough to match the top 4. In the end a cheap strategy has to win in a chaotic team based game like Marvel so no surprises.
Haven’t read the posts in this thread yet, except for the OP; I’m sure most of them are retarded.
But thank you for comparing MvC3 with MvC1. I have basically zero experience with MvC3 but I’ve played MvC1 a bunch of times vs good players on GGPO, and they seem to have more in common than either of them does with MvC2.
Viscant won it because of how good his wesker and how good his haggar assist was mostly. and yes phoenix was cheap i would agree
The noah thing though, he’s not even that good…im 16 and I stand an ok chance against the great players.
Noah just abused hulk’s armor and everything. People who lost to him should really hang it up/
Prodigy my ass…jayce the ace is alot better and is the real prodigy
Well you’re kinda pitting a cat against a mouse there with the real prodigy thing. Jayce is young but he’s also like twice the age of Noah. Unless Noah was playing MVC3 since he was three there’s no way he’d be more of a prodigy than Jayce at this point.
Yeah it’s interesting in the similarities.
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Wolverine is retardo. Strider is basically as stupid and they go great together.
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You have some character that’s reliant on cheap ass constant hyper armor and can’t be comboed.
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You have a super mechanic that costs 2 meters that lets you run around with both of your characters on screen at the same time and able to move on their own (although they both will do the same thing depending on what you press on the stick) which also gives you infinite supers for free chip or death combos for at least 10 seconds. The opponent can also do their duo super mechanic so 4 characters can be fighting on screen all dual moving and spamming infinite supers which gives more of a crack random fest than double XF3 Dark Phoenix.
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You have retardo haggar assist that runs across the screen and can’t be stopped by any physical attack or projectile and gives a super long hit confirm into combos or supers.
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Plenty of characters with TOD’s or infinites or generally just shit that would make you angry just for getting hit once.
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This may be a better video, because it demonstrates some of the more esoteric features like unavoidable resets that allow characters like Wolverine and War Machine to kill in one combo (see 00:35 into the video, etc), unavoidable guard breaks into 100% damage, and so on.
Having played MvC1 and the older Marvel games, it’s bizarre to me that people don’t hate Wolverine more. He has a long history of rape, and he’s kept it going in MvC3.
I noticed PR Rog dying to this a lot, and it stands out to me because it happened to me more times than I can count, in MvC1.
For those not following along- in MvC2 if you hit a character as they call an assist, the assist doesn’t attack. Having played MvC2 for years before playing MvC1, I was used to things working this way. The problem is, it doesn’t work that way in Marvel 1, so I’d frequently find myself hitting someone in the face, well on may way to doing heavy damage, and then the next thing I knew was that my attacking character was dead.
When you call assists like Colossus especially, you actually want the opponent to hit you, because Colossus causes massive hitstun, and you can recover and combo them. People do the same thing with Akuma’s assist in MvC3, and Viscant was doing it with Haggar. If you hit both Wesker and Haggar, it means you might lose a character, not that you did any real damage. Calling Haggar is insurance to make sure that you block in the air (setting yourself up for an air throw, which means you’ll take about the same damage anyway), and it’s an option select, because OTGs are so easily to capitalize off of in MvC3.
I almost got 4 minutes. I had to stop, I was getting so salty watching.
That’s why I find it absolutely hilarious that someone will nominate XvSF as a “balanced” game. People complain about Wolverine in this game but what he can do in XvSF makes Dark Phoenix look like a bunny.