This is practically the only reason I buy physical media.
It’s gonna be real funny to see how some of these physical releases of games will increase in value how backwards compatibility comes into play for the Playstation stuff.
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What about them? Lots of them still exist. What game that was available physicslly cant be aquired in some way anymore?
Games are a drop in the ocean when it comes to environmental damage.
This is theft.
Can you argue the point instead of making stupid comments about games you don’t like that really has not a fucking thing to do with the conversation?
You don’t have to wait, you can see it now. Cave shmups on 360 generally run 2 to 3 times msrp. The Pink Sweets/Muchi Muchi Pork collection is 200+.
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You mean like we all did back in the day? 
Most of the GOAT fighting games are unpatched.
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Scott Pilgrim wasn’t an amazing game, but goddammit, it was good, handled an IP I love perfectly, and had a fucking 
soundtrack. I just wish I had a copy that I could have around.
I see what your saying, and I guess you could store roms on a hard drive, but it’s just safer imo to have each game individually cataloged so if something happens to that cartridge, you lose one game, not thousands if a hard drive gets wiped.
I’m sure I can, but I’m more concerned with the game being played and preserved on some scale in it’s originally intended package. I’m talking history here, man. Games are important to our culture, and are becoming more and more a part of everyday life. It’s important to have that stuff in it’s original state.
Like if every single cab of ST or MvC2 vanished, so would accurate recollections of how the game was played and how it affected gaming and FGC culture. We’d still have it on FC tho 
Not trying to bust your balls, I’ve bought plenty of digital games, but the older i get, the more important I feel it is to make sure we record history accurately and thoroughly
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This is a good point to. Those old fighters with 0 patches where ass loads of fun. Those glitches they patch out super fast because people whine? Yea those used to become features half the time. Half of Guilty Gears mechanics are fucking glitches that became features. Combos where a fucking glitch. Imagine if they had gut reacted to whiners in 92 and patched out fucking combos.
A point to keep in mind is that hard drives die and when they do they are paper weights that do more damage to the environment them some plastic discs and cases that be much much more easily recycled into more game discs/cases or other things like clothing. Dead hard drive is a dead hard drive they at best can melt some of it down for reuse but not much. They are far far harder to make into something new.
Not if you literally can’t buy the game.
You know what? I could. But now I won’t.
I’ll come up with some tremendous arguments to show you that the resale market is a hoax. I got a hunch that less than 1% of all games are actually resold.
All these weebs buying these limited edition collectibles thinking they’ll make money. Sad!
Seriously, wtf do you think I was doing? Just because I add a little harmless joke my argument is invalid?
This is a fair argument. I lost a couple games when my hard drive died. Fortunately I got them back because of Steam, but I see your point.
Yeah, but back to the example I used…
You really wanna play unpatched SFV? 
Hell, I don’t wanna play SFV at all, but I recognize that the current version is what the game was supposed to be to begin with.
Games are made considering DLC nowadays. Sure, all of us have different opinions about this, but that’s the reality of the situation.
Some games take advantage of it and build a solid foundation that keeps gamers interested and then add upon it. But a foundation is a foundation, not the whole building.
Some are complete garbage, hastily made cash grabs that try to save their game with DLC. We don’t talk about those. These are garbage.
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Literally yes it is. Just because you can’t buy it doesn’t mean stealing it isn’t stealing lmao.
That’s convenient.
And this has to do with what exactly? Would be funny to see you try and prove it tho.
Who said anyone thought they where gonna make money? Even beyond that I bought Popful Mail back when it came out and it’s now worth 350 dollars so regardless money can be made.
I didn’t say your argument was invalid. I asked you to argue the point. Guess I didn’t notice the joke cuz it wasn’t funny. Jokes are supposed to be funny.
Most of us don’t want to play SFV at all, patched or not.
And it was made extremely easy for them to take advantage of you through this patching process you’re trying to glorify. Games been out 4 years and now is the way is was supposed to be?
Then why do you keep bringing up SFV? confused
Still theft. 
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Consistency.
Dammit and you missed it again! I was sure my Trump Tweet impersonation was on point. Back to the drawing board for me.
A’ight, let’s try to go to better examples. Ones that include actual good games…
Ok, not good games because I fucking hate Mario Kart 8, but now I’m using it.
It started as a very serviceable game, and it added some patches and DLC and boom. We got Link in Mario Kart.
Now I dunno about you, but that is freaking insane for me. We’re talking about some good content and the tracks they added are great too and enhance the game.
Wild Woods’s music alone makes the whole thing worth it.
Now go back to MK8. The basic vanilla version because the Deluxe patches didn’t make it back to the Wii U. (Thank God, fuck that balance patch.)
You’re still playing a good game without DLC, but you know you’re missing great tracks and characters like Link. And more than that, it’s a historical impact that you’ll never experience.
Would they be able to just launch the game with all that? Maybe. Maybe not. Probably not tbh.
Good DLC is good. Good updates are good. They make a game last longer and feel more complete. This whole idea of DLC is evil needs to stop, people need to actually look at the content and decide whether or not they’re worth it.
Again, both sides have solid arguments, some of which I only found out today, but we can’t expect every game to come out like DMCV. (And without patches, that means no Bloody Palace. That’s a big nono for DMC fans.)
You’d have never known without the patches you where missing anything so your argument still falls reletivly flat for me. I also get those patches digital purchase or not. You’re saying “Yea but what if you dont have internet?” Then how fuck am I gonna download the digital version to begin with? If I don’t have internet for the patches, then I sure as shit don’t have it for a full digital purchase lol.
Bloody Palace in V was a massive disappointment by the way. Lot of DMC fans where pretty disappointed with Vs Bloody Palace.
I’ve never really like the Bloody Palace system, it’s super lazy imo, Ninja Gaiden Black blew that shit up years ago with Mission Mode, a much better set of post game content.
I assumed that losing patches was a relevant concern because of this.
At any rate, I believe both of us are more enlightened after this convo. That was fun.
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My games do work without those patches but your argument is that buying physical means I someday could lose them. I’m pointing out that if I can’t get the patches for my physical game how am I supposed to get the digital game at all? I can at least play the physical version even if it’s kinda glitchy or something.
How do I get Scott Pilgrim Vs the World bro?
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Dlc is only as valuable And relevant as the player sees it. If it’s not worth it than it’s simply not worth it.
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The large majority of the games I buy are digital, but it’s not really out of choice. I just see good deals on PSN and take advantage of them, but if I actually checked my local game stores I’m sure I’d find stuff just as often.
But yeah, physical is the way to go. I’m making a big effort this year to only buy physical media. Continuing to buy digital games at this point feels like paying rent. An almost total waste of money in terms of value and I don’t even actually have real ownership of what I’m paying for.
I don’t see how anyone can deny the value of physical media. A game could only be worth a dollar in a couple years and that’s still more resale value than any digital game ever made. People actually enjoy owning the products they buy. It feels good to amass a collection.
I remember back in 2015 when I had 200+ physical PS3 games. There’s probably still a picture of them somewhere here in the old VGG threads. I had to get rid of all of them when I was falling on extremely hard times towards the end of the year. It sucked, and I didn’t wanna do it at all, but I had the option to do so and it helped me sustain a place to live during those hard times. I’m not saying resale should be the main reason you go physical, but it is a legitimate thing to consider.
On the topic of patches… I’m not sure how this is even a comparison. Digital usually forces you to play the latest version of whatever game you’re playing, physical actually allows you to play both unpatched AND patched versions of said game. You’re literally getting more options and more ways to play the game with physical.
I honestly feel like physical is just objectively better in every way. If you’re that tight on space and literally can’t fit a few game cases anywhere in your house, alright, I can get that. Otherwise there’s very few ways I see physical as anything but superior.
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You camp out of Toys R Us, wait for a grandma to walk out with a super limited edition, kick her cane, get the game, install it on a friend’s PS3, ask him to game share it with you, have him delete the game, game share your copy with him, then go back to said grandma and say you actually tripped on her cane and got her bag by accident then give the game back so she can give it to her grandson.
To be fair, my original idea was to just pirate the thing while blasting “fight the power” on full volume, but apparently it’s theft even if you got no legal way to buy the game.
Well we are talking about legal ownership so stealing is kind off the list. If you want to bring stealing into then why pay for any game? Right? You can get any game you want if you’re willing to steal it, availability be damned.
Theft is off the table when the conversation is about legal ownership man.
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One is justified by preservation of gaming history, the other is just you wanting to save enough bucks to get a happy meal.
It’s not preserving history because you have to dig on the internet to find it. That’s not historical preservation. Thats digging through mud and risking your computer to find something that’s been delisted because digital only.
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Jason Schrier says WB was actually planning to do a conference this year