Well through the emotions and feelings of society he’s trying to explain to the general society why Marvel vs. Capcom 2 is not just a game but it’s a culture.
Well, I have hardly any experience in anthropology, but as I’m sure you can tell I have a keen interest in the subject. As I mentioned, my Uncle is a Professor of Anthropology at the University of Montreal. He has told some of his students and colleagues about my ideas, and some of them are interested in the project. I might be going up there later this summer, and that would be a great opportunity to discuss this with people who have years of experience in the field.
That sounds really interesting. Would you be willing to send me some of your notes that might be relevant to Victory?
One possible route is to give people who have never even heard of the SF community an in-depth look at the ways in which we function as a community. I think this would work because it’s really an underground scene. It seems like the only people who are familiar with it or have even heard of it are those within the community. Do you have any suggestions for possible methodologies I could employ so I can accomplish this?
I agree, and I’m glad you brought that up. Before I can really get going with this project I do need to have a definite goal established. Otherwise it wouldn’t be a productive endeavor. Perhaps the reason why I leaned more towards the societal aspect is because I am just one person within the community, if I can get more people to help me, then I can present a more accurate and therefore more compelling documentary.
Well said. That is in a general sense what I’m trying to accomplish. The real difficulty lies in how I can go about achieving this goal.
This is true for 3s as well… and many other games…
Now for your intro.
I think it is good, but some of the things you are saying about finding your self can be said about ANY hobby. You mention the thing about it being in communities around the globe, and you should back that up in your documentary, go to some other countrys, and i aint talking japan and show their communities for this game as well.
I’m not sure that i like the whole just marvel vs capcom 2 thing, sure it has it’s own following and yes it is amazing the amount of people that still play it. But if you want to see real fighting game culture check out the world of cvs2 and 3s in japan. If you did it on the fighting game community in general then maybe you could have somthing great and i am sure people all around the world would help you make it happen and maybe your documentary would even be used on game television stations like G4 and such.
These are just my opinions, but i want you to take into consideration what i said, because yes there is a huge following for marvel, but that is only a small portion of the world’s fighting game community. Places like korea and such play 3s and tekken 5 more then anything and some of the best gamers in the world live in korea as well as through out the orient, this is because it is a way of life for them. As for us here in the united states, it is a way of life, but within a small community of people, not a widespread acceptance like it is in the orient. Around here if you said you were a professional gamer and went to tournements most people would laugh at u, but there they wouldn’t.
-Shodokan
I’m sorry but that was pretty gay. First of all, MVC2 is not even close to the most played game in the world…not even fucking CLOSE. Second, I think you maybe have an honest intent, but you’re trying to hard. You’re going off on tangents. You’re talking about MVC2, then Capcom, then your new found love, etc. It sounds gay dude, I’m sorry. Lol this is a play by play. Bible now. You’re comparing MVC2 to the Bible? Roflcopter. Ok ok waiiitt…I’m still listenining. Analyze and travel the world for MVC2? 100 bucks says you won’t… Dude, they have nothing better to do in Phillipines. And Canada? Nah man, it’s pretty much dead here, too. Ok, NYC is the best. I agree. Cultural diffusion? Dude, you’re getting scientific on our ass again. Of course this game is an artform, it’s a game, it has art, and it’s a form. You prolly do think you’re better then others, or you wouldn’t feel the need to point out that you’re not better then others, or that this isn’t your vision. It’s like when a white guy fucks up and says “dude I’m not racist, I have nigger…I mean black friends.” You keep going on about all this stuff that nobody else but SRK would care about…
sigh…the inspiration speech inspired me to stop Windows Media Player…
EDIT: The game IS dead…stop trying.
EDIT2: What Bang the Machine did was pretty cool, cause it seems like it was more underground and shit…
EDIT3: If you post your idea on SRK, that automatically means it will fail and/or you won’t go through with it.
EDIT4: Any nick with Shin in it needs to be banned.
hahahahahaha.
i also found the commentary to be funny and sometimes a bit silly. but if you are serious about this, like others said, you shouldn’t just focus on marvel. but rather attempt to grasp the entire SF community aka SRK.
I liked the original idea of having the documentary focus on MvC2. It’s a more unique subject than having it be on the whole SF community, which has already been slightly touched on, and will most likely continue to be analyzed further. The uniqueness of the subject is part of what I think makes it so interesting. No one can deny MvC2’s impact on the fighting game community in the U.S., and the fact that the game is nowhere near being “dead” even today makes it worthy of being the focal point of this documentary.
Like it said in the preview, the possibilities are pretty much endless for this…I saw nothing wrong with the preview, but since there is so much possible information, it will be hard to organize the ideas.
(THE) Geese: Some of the idea’s in the audio intro. are a bit farfetch’d. (sp?) But, I think otherwise you have a point. For ShinRaven to actually capture the attention of the audience and to explain to them the impact of this game on groups of friends he has to take more of the lamens approach. Show the world how this game is more then just a hobby, it’s a sport and do it in such a way where people who are not familiar with the game understand the love for the game and not think we’re freaks.
ShinRaven: I think the best way to show the world how SF is more then just a game but a culture you have to focus more on the people playing the game rather then the game itself. The people is what make Marvel VS. Capcom 2 so popular… You should make a documentary on the lives of a select few street fighter players, and how they go about their daily routines. Show how they are normal people, they do sleep, work, have girlfriends, but on the weekends on spare time they are serious competitive street fighters. :tup: But then again that is what ‘Bang the machine’ did… Fuck those people for not getting those DVD’s out yet.
This is something I have taken into consideration, and I still may take this approach to it.
This was too long for PM:
No problem, I’m happy to help. “One possible route is to give people who have never even heard of the SF community an in-depth look at the ways in which we function as a community.”
This doesn’t so much sound like your route, but rather your goal. To determine a route, ask yourself the question “why?” You just barely started to get into this question in your audio, but shirked it. I am sure that certain players suffer mild discrimination from non-players because of ignorance. But I’m also sure this isn’t all, or even primarily, what is motivating you. What do you want to show, specifically, and how, and why. You should develop form and function at the same time because they are so linked.
When I was taking it seriously, I was mostly concerned academically with the mechanics of culture, which I don’t suggest you do, because your audience is a lot different than mine was (phd’s). In my case I was able to draw a LOT from a recent book called Body and Soul: Ethnographic Notebooks of an Apprentice Boxer by a teacher of mine, Loc Wacquant. I suggest you read it if you become at all interested in the obvious implications of race, competition, and marginality (you could even explore this as “teenage marginality” and make a career). It’s interesting otherwise as well.
Whatever you decide, attend as many tournaments as you can, watch people playing socially (as opposed to primarily playing), watch people practicing by themselves, and start gathering as much “experience distant” info as you can because near experience you already have from what it sounds like. At all of these events, write down as MUCH as you can that doesn’t pertain to game mechanics/results. Also, if you think it appropriate, get as much video footage of these things as you can now, and ideas for your project and interests will develop guaranteed.
What video cameras are you looking at btw? I was going to invest in a panasonic dvx100a but couldn’t justify the cost. I would recommend a 3CCD camera in case you want to ever project this or make something at all serious to SHOW people. smaller, inferior quality cameras are really important to add a much needed dimension to field notes!
Here’s the best advice for a documentary:
ALWAYS take the humanistic approach. The PLAYERS is what makes the game. Nobody gives a shit about your philosophies, or about the technical aspects of the game. Like when I watch those crazy NYC players going all ape shit during MVC2 matches, the intensity brings a tear to my eye. THAT is what ppl like…
far fetched. farfetch’d is the pokemon :lol:
That’s quite an impressive camcorder you were considering, 24p is exceptional. I was going to buy the Panasonic PV-GS250. It has 3CCD and it’s better than a standard DV cam.
hey Neezy, you still want to help me with this?
So if this happens, wicked.
Shinraven this sounds like a great idea, if you are serious about this you should include KOF into this. If you need some info or vids I’ll gladly help you out with the kof stuff specially about the SoCal.
Good luck :tup:
Nice to have support. While I would like to include KOF, I personally don’t have any experience with it, and I was thinking the doc would be more effective if it were focused on a particular game scene. But hey I could be wrong, if you have any ideas you would like to share feel free to.
Can we call it “Victoly” instead?
…seriously.
The ‘Official’ name is Victory, but you can call it what you want.
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psYlocke
Yep.
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Sorry i got bored. But your acronym was thoroughly amusing :tup:
Fuck it didn’t space properly…