I think one of the more interesting things is that some of the updates claimed that SHC could cause a juggle…even Eventhubs has claimed that it caused a juggle but then changed it to just a knockdown…if its true that it can cause a juggle state then theres a possibility for new combos maybe.
i never liked the idea of chainable jabs. makes things brainless. making jab>jab a 2 frame link instead would have been nice but that opens up a can of worms on its own.
ill copy and paste what i posted elsewhere:
U2 was 7 in super, 9 in AE, and I guess settles for 8 in 2012. If it can be used as an anti-crossup again then I can be content. If not, then it’s useless. Sweep damage was restored, hitbox fixes is pretty nice but U1 seldom missed the full animation, but I’ll gladly take that buff. Cosmic Heel was not returned to it’s former frame advantages so the move is still quite shit in my eyes and won’t be used offensively like it was able to be in Vanilla and Super.
Maybe I’ll screw around with him more, but I think this is the end of the line.
By end of the line I mean I probably won’t pick him back up seriously, but who knows… Though I really wanted that CH back 
GL to those that fight further! (and I don’t mean that sarcastically!)
I can’t believe it. I seriously can’t believe that they didn’t fix CH. They didn’t fix RCF. They didn’t fix his ground AA. They didn’t fix his garbage normals, his dash is still the same, and they didn’t even listen about the mask throw buff (where you don’t pick it up if you throw it) that could have been a nice buff.
The U2 buff is not really anything since it still fails as an ultra, U1 is at least fixed to how it was supposed to be, the sweep has its damage back, and SHC is still complete garbage and will never be used. This has got to be a joke. I thought he would get at least one real buff. I thought for sure that we would at least get CH back which would make him playable enough (for me at least).
I’ll admit though that I am fairly comfortable with Vega as he is now in AE, except for the RCF being randomly interrupted during its blockstring and the lack of ability to combo into RCF, U1 missing, but mainly the horrible -4 CH. Hopefully they do some last minute fixing and actually give him ONE real buff.
Lol, so you didn’t get what you wanted. Is the board going to continue to bitch about Vega or deal with what he already has? And if you can’t AA on the ground, get into the air.
The cosmic hell nerf never really bothered me that much, i was never one just to throw it out there.
I can’t really imagine ANOTHER update of AE. I’ll be surprised if there is another iteration.
Personally I think after any initial bitching of why Vega didn’t get X or blah blah things will calm down a bit. This is probably the Vega we keep, so now we gotta make due. He got all buffs at least and I think now is comparable in strength to what he was in Super, just in a different way. Sort of like a redesign or a more polarized shift in his strengths.
I fucking knew it. At least this solidfies that BHC is the superior Ultra, provided you know how to use it.
@Joz, the way I’ve see it, was that SHC was supposed to be used as a Air to air move. Either way, has SHC ever been a useful move? Every time i see it land is off a godlike read.
I dont care for iframes if his game makes up for it. He needs a reliable AA period. If he has no reliable AA then he needs a reversal, if he has no reversal then give him a reliable AA. He currently neither when the entire cast has one or both. Theres no reason why he shouldnt have an awesome AA.
Or they can buff his offense by buffing his pokes and specials and make him a completely offensive character. Oh wait they already nerfed that by nerfing his CH. Oh wait its only -3 now. Fucking garbage.
With these piece of shit buffs capcom obviously thinks hes perfect.
“We thought that Claw players would only want a few more improvements, so we change a couple of small things.” -Devs
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One can only hope this is the case. After Super hit, the bitching still continued up to AE and AE to 2012 seems to be proving the same.
For the people complaining about how bad Cosmic Heel is on block, realize that’s only the case when done directly beside the opponent. Do it from max(ish) kara throw range and that’s never the case. It still does what it always did in Vanilla/Super, only it’s a slightly greater risk now.
And ffs, use his strong air-to-air if you can’t find anything “reliable” on the ground. No AA option is reliable 100% of the time in this game(certain characters have ways to beat shoto DP, for example). It’s up to you to challenge jumps instead of sit there and block/ run when you don’t always have to.
@ Bango
with respect to the B tier, he is perfect. With respect to what he is supposed to do, IDK at this moment. I still stand that there needs to be a fix to those normals regardless of tier placement or balance, but that’s because I want a character like the ST characters. does the job well. There is no point in crying about it, pick a secondary and input as much time into that character as you do Vega, if those hit box issues are that big of a deal. To cover those 6-4’s where a fully functioning hitboxes would help.
I know im going to have to if, i want to continue playing this game.
not sure if you are serious or not, but anything but max range results in punishment. The risk reward ratio is beyond skewered now… Its not slightly greater risk, its a shit ton.
At least ultra 1 will whiff less which means we gotta find out when it’s gonna miss.
Shc knockdown is meh. I NEVER land it unless it’s that ONE time in a match I do ex “crossup” shc. Now… If it put opponents into juggle state to land ST or Ultra 1/2 then we’re talking.
No I-Frames on EX ST?!?( Sigh)
Fuck it, at least there was no nerfs, and my beloved CH was shown a wee bit love. SHC looks usable now, but fuck the U2 “buff”…with a big dick.
I almost feel like they’re mocking us with that (yeah right, like they care that much), what the hell is one frame gonna do? Even at its best in Super, U2 was still meh…I might give up U2 altogether, out of sheer annoyance. (again,like anyone cares)
Whatever, I’m staying positive, and looking forward to trying out that SHC and fixed U1. Hello again BHC. In a way, Im glad the suspense is over.
You can max range Cosmic Heel and get punished anyway. You’re assuming that it will always be blocked and so, will always be “safe”. That was never the case in Super, where somebody could poke him out of it, reversal on reaction, focus it, or just use it on block as their ticket into Vega close range. The risk/reward now is what it’s always been, bait a tech/low poke and get around 240 damage and varying degrees of pressure afterwards, or have it blocked/punished and put yourself at close range, Vega’s weakest range. Even the +2/+3 in Super wasn’t helping against any character that could just reversal/throw you on your ass and start mixing you up afterwards.
I think everyone should reserve shitting on his BUFFS until we see them in action. Especially the 8 frame U2. If it serves as an anti-crossup again I really don’t see what the problem is…
Yeah, stop being drama queens, sheesh.
Vega doesn’t get a reliable anti-air. It’s really too bad for those who wish they could sit back on one option and play a superior ground game with Vega’s “garbage normals”. But then again, there’s been references in the past that suggest maybe this character isn’t for you, and that’s not intended as a putdown. Seriously, maybe Vega is not for you.
Lots of characters don’t have things that would make them better. We’ll see if Dudley actually gets a way to REALLY punish backdashers without taking huge risks, we’ll see if T. Hawk gets an additional tool to help him against fireballers, we’ll see if Cammy gets her TKCS back, etc. All of these would help the character, but it doesn’t fit with Capcom’s design philosophy, and really, the only reason people want it in the first place is so that THEIR character is stronger, not so that the game is ‘more balanced’. People ACT like they want a ‘more balanced’ game, but no, they want a stronger main. Just look at the people who are complaining about Sagat’s lack of buffs or, people who are complaining in advance that “Fei is fine”.
If your perception of a character is soooo negative that you have to think “this character needed this stuff to compete” then your perception is off anyways, especially if the character is already well balanced.
People argue that, well Vega doesn’t do well in tournaments.
In Japan, there’s Reiketsu. Cat-K and Makoto have basically disappeared. reiketsu is the only Vega I see repping at tournaments.
In North America, there’s tatsu, German Luger, myself, and Loco. I don’t know about Loco but tatsu, luger, and myself are all students, and all still really young too. If you guys don’t like that Claw isn’t repping, understand that, well, no one is really playing him. Yang isn’t really repping either, but everyone understands that he’s an incredible character. It’s because he’s not getting a lot of exposure. We all want to get better obviously, but it’s unreasonable to expect that we just go out and WIN tournaments. The onus is on us, not our character, to get better, but unfortunately, we have other priorities. I don’t know about you guys or what you’re doing but i’m 100% sure you can easily identify with that.
The perception of Vega NEEDS to change if you guys really want Claw to win tournaments. Find obscure tech, update your philosophies, get out there and play more. Cause that’s the only way to get better - now that we are officially DONE holding out on buffs, it’s time to simply level up.
brb getting my mask and claw.
i think hes gonna get something else they have too i mean did you see the ryu buffs O_o
This probably doesn’t merit posting, but keep in mind they hid information last time. I don’t believe the damage nerfs were ever mentioned. Who knows, we could be getting those same ninja nerfs back as buffs again.
edit: Chise beat me to it heh.