Vega Q&A: Ask simple questions here!

[pedoviejo]

The only way to reliably set up BHC is to bait a jump. I find half-backflipping in a few instances where they otherwise would have hit baits it beautifully. Frustration sets in, they find themselves jumping. Then hit them with the BHC. Pressuring them into the corner with some Rolling Crystal Flash games sometimes works, but with how slow the move is in SF4, I wouldn’t recommend it.

then why not use SC, doesnt that have faster start up

[CygnusZero]

Pretty new to SF. I dont know much about kara throws/cancelling at all. I couldnt even really tell you what it is, but I read that Vega can do it, or take advantage of it or whatever.

Can anyone explain this to me with some detail knowing im a total nub?

[TrulyAmiracle]

Kara-throwing is basically cancelling the very first frames of a normal into a throw to give it a bit more reach/range. Vega’s Karathrow is the 2nd best karathrow in the game, only second to Ken’s (at least this was the case in Vanilla, idk if there’s a better kara in Super).
Vega’s karathrow is done with his standing Roundhouse (s.HK). What you’d basically do is press HK a few frames before doing throw command (LP+LK), its a very small window, so you’d be almost pressing them at the same time. So you’d go HK~LP+LK

I dont know what you use, on stick i basically just press LP+LK+HK at the same time, but i slant my hand to the right a bit so that the HK would be pressed a split second before the Lp+Lk. On pad its the same concept, but it may be a bit weird to do it with 2 hands O_o

Its very important to learn this if you want to use Vega right as it helps his offense and rushdown immensely and makes it easier for him to control the space at mid range.

I think that covers the whole thing, if you still have any questions just ask.

[dgowen]

I never knew bloody high claw goes through fireballs on the ground too… I’m starting to really like this Ultra!

[Francys_Pai]

I never knew bloody high claw goes through fireballs on the ground too… I’m starting to really like this Ultra!

SC does on frames 1-15 of his startup.
Though you have to literally have quite a trigger finger for BHC to work vs fireballs I find.

[CygnusZero]

Kara-throwing is basically cancelling the very first frames of a normal into a throw to give it a bit more reach/range. Vega’s Karathrow is the 2nd best karathrow in the game, only second to Ken’s (at least this was the case in Vanilla, idk if there’s a better kara in Super).
Vega’s karathrow is done with his standing Roundhouse (s.HK). What you’d basically do is press HK a few frames before doing throw command (LP+LK), its a very small window, so you’d be almost pressing them at the same time. So you’d go HK~LP+LK

I dont know what you use, on stick i basically just press LP+LK+HK at the same time, but i slant my hand to the right a bit so that the HK would be pressed a split second before the Lp+Lk. On pad its the same concept, but it may be a bit weird to do it with 2 hands O_o

Its very important to learn this if you want to use Vega right as it helps his offense and rushdown immensely and makes it easier for him to control the space at mid range.

I think that covers the whole thing, if you still have any questions just ask.

That was extremely helpful. Some of this stuff is just impossible to figure out in the game on your own. There is no way I would have stumbled on that myself. Thanks man. Ill probably have more ?'s but I cant think of any right now.

[laxlight]

Kara-throwing is basically cancelling the very first frames of a normal into a throw to give it a bit more reach/range. Vega’s Karathrow is the 2nd best karathrow in the game, only second to Ken’s (at least this was the case in Vanilla, idk if there’s a better kara in Super).
Vega’s karathrow is done with his standing Roundhouse (s.HK). What you’d basically do is press HK a few frames before doing throw command (LP+LK), its a very small window, so you’d be almost pressing them at the same time. So you’d go HK~LP+LK

I dont know what you use, on stick i basically just press LP+LK+HK at the same time, but i slant my hand to the right a bit so that the HK would be pressed a split second before the Lp+Lk. On pad its the same concept, but it may be a bit weird to do it with 2 hands O_o

Its very important to learn this if you want to use Vega right as it helps his offense and rushdown immensely and makes it easier for him to control the space at mid range.

I think that covers the whole thing, if you still have any questions just ask.

i’d say vega has the best kara throw in the game because of his walkspeed.its a lot more easier to land vega’s kara throw compared to ken’s on really good players.

[Deuy]

cant wait for makoto vs uryo!

Damnit they postponed it two more days >:(

[dirtybanana]

ok does anyone else constantly miss vegas u2 on wakeup?? seriosly i played this game a few times and i know how to do the move! but i swear i fuk it up on wakeup at least 40% of the time…i just get backflips…anyone else notice this? could b my stick i duno…

[pedoviejo]

ok does anyone else constantly miss vegas u2 on wakeup?? seriosly i played this game a few times and i know how to do the move! but i swear i fuk it up on wakeup at least 40% of the time…i just get backflips…anyone else notice this? could b my stick i duno…

execution error. not your stick. either your not charging long enough. Or you a messing up the execution. It also feels hard to execute at times. Maybe it has to do with how they said that doing the dp for Vega is more strict. and maybe this impacted the motion for this move because you can use half circle half circle. for ultra. but really its a execution problem on your end.

and yes i fuck up all the time

[nekorinSG]

ok does anyone else constantly miss vegas u2 on wakeup?? seriosly i played this game a few times and i know how to do the move! but i swear i fuk it up on wakeup at least 40% of the time…i just get backflips…anyone else notice this? could b my stick i duno…

Me too, most of the time I get backflips instead of U2 during wakeup. I mean, db charge->fwd->back->fwd + KKK shouldn’t be that hard imo, and I do know that I have enough time for a charge.

Another weird thing which I’m puzzled is… I can never do a super upon touchdown right after air-throwing an opponent, even with the correct joystick motions. I could dive/ex dive though right after touchdown. Very weird.

[dirtybanana]

ya i figured it was just me…it just seems too happen alot and its frustrating!

[dgowen]

For those interested, I have an example of what I described earlier in the thread…

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Note! Not a good ken player, but what’s important is at the end of round 2 I do:

c.MP (slight delay) BHC… I’m very happy with what happened after that

[Buddha_s_Weapon]

I’ve never had any problems doing wakeup ultra. It’s probably your timing.

[Lvangundy]

Hello,

Do you guys have any suggestions for Hawk vs Claw? I’m a Hawk player and in the local arcades it’s been proven pretty well that Claw wins the matchup. Do any of Hawk’s techniques give you trouble?

[ArrogantBastard]

Why is it that I can get 1 fram links online, but for the life of me cannot get them in training mode. For example, I was playing online this morning and was able to easily get clp X3, but It takes me like a dozen tries in training mode. Is it possible that lag has anything to do with this?

[CygnusZero]

What’s a good setup move for bloody high claw? I find that Ill pull it out sometimes and whiff it, itll just go right over the guys head.

[chrisofrays]

hey what are vegas useful 1 & 2 frame combos?
cheers

[pedoviejo]

hey what are vegas useful 1 & 2 frame combos?
cheers

all of them. learn to use em all.

[hlcws]

Do people actually use meaty izuna?
Like df + rh, cr. mk (reset), ex walldive meaty crossup