I been knowing this a long time, with Necalli (when triggered) you can s.lp xx Disc Guidance anytime he does that block string.
Vega can VT off s.lk in that scenario.
You must have some pretty sick reactions to react to his v trigger dash 100% of the time.
Besides normals pressure, Necalli doesnt have a lot to pressure Vega. First, he has to get in through Vega better normals/spacing, then his Divekick is super free to slash HP and Vega a2a, His command grab is like 8 frames startup, his feet stomp blockstrings are not true blockstrings and can be beaten with ex Rolling or critical art, his ex feet stomp special is punishable with vreversal, DP gets a punish of like 330 hp for 1 meter, his charge special is worthless in this matchup, his V.Skill is nothing to be worried about as Vega since he wants Necalli in s.MP range all the time. This poor character is in disadvantage agaisnt Vega imo. And when he gets V.trigger, Vega will have V.trigger or v.reversal as well so i dont see how the matchup is not at least 5-5 at this point.
You haven’t played a really good Necalli then. His grab being 8 frames doesn’t matter, it’s there as a threat. His blockstrings are air tight and divekick is there to throw off you normal anti airs and he gets a combo off it. Necalli just needs to get one knockdown to be in your ass. His damage is huge as well. There is a really good korean Necalli here that gives me a lot of trouble. Once V-Trigger is popped he is at such a advantage. Counter hit combos hurt even more.
I react everytime, cause I’m dope.
Except I’m a bit too slow and I eat a c.mk xx stomp xx super. Lol.
It’s not always about reacting. Yes its a fast dash, but Vega has options for example, Cr.mp pre-emptively, MP ASE done pre-emptively will catch him out of dash and if you space it well will make a jump in whiff or whiff punish the dash with sweep on reaction etc etc. Also when he’s in V-Trigger jump and dash should be literally the only two things you are looking for. Stand at a range where you can narrow down his options and reactions become much easier. My reactions are good but there is more to it then that.
@serpentaurus analysis above is good. The fact that Necalli’s stomp is a projectile tilts this match IMO in Vega’s favor. You have the option of using EX meter to punish a stomp or one V-bar (kick v-reversal) to punish a stomp. 6-4 Vega.
Nah, i think Necalli is good but he is in disadvantage to Vega and saying “you havent fought a good Necalli” means nothing. I would probably lose to most top Necalli players free and Haitani/Pr Rog look like a beast when using that character, but thats not the point of this. Theoretically he lose the matchup or goes even with Vega.
Theoretically V-Trigger Necalli is the best in the game imo.
Of course no one is factoring in player skill to the equation. Matchups are solely about the characters options against each other. However, I’d love see Nemo Vega against the top Necalli’s though… that Vega is ferocious and I hope he goes to EVO.
Another thing bothersome in this match up is that Necally’s jump in normals seem to have sfx tekken like hit boxes…i lose when i go air to air against him every time…and once you are knocked down is very hard to escape Necally’s pressure…plus Necallys short and sharp jump in makes it dificult to anti air with st HK…also the amount of damage Necally deals and how easily he gets you cornered are things that make this match up dificult…also fucking anti air jab and fallow up mix ups…i have said it before but let me rant a bit again…i hate anti air jabs so much i would like to see then remove from the game…only characters i feel like legitimately need and deserve their anti air jabs are Gief and Alex (and Alex’s anti air jab isn’t that great…it trades or loses to jump HP with claw on)
Let’s be honest here. Based on actual analysis and valid points made by Serpentaurus. I agree that Vega wins the MU against Necalli, probably 6-4 since he really has trouble in neutral against Vega, especially at getting in. I have played some pretty decent Necalli’s and I feel it’s a struggle for them to even get in/score a knockdown.
However, once Necalli activates V-trigger… the game changes. His dash and mobility becomes so powerful that I feel the game is in his favor. This is when you need to play really smart and avoid knockdowns/corner at any cost. As momochi said… with V-trigger active, Necalli is the best in the game. Without it, he has all the tools, but he’s sub-par, stomps are much worse in practice than people initially thought.
Usually, I try to play patiently and avoid letting him build V-gage. Maybe the Necalli’s I played sucked, but I’d usually win the round before they got V-trigger.
Instead of saying “oh shit Necalli goes S.Saiyan and beats vega on vtrigger, Momochi said so” why dont we point out the differences between regular and v.trigger Necalli? im not too sure about them other than a few differences on frame data since im not a Necalli player. Can anyone point them out? Im honestly ignorant on this character other than what i have seen on stream/the frame data guide and for my experience to a certain good Necalli in my area.
That way we will be able to analyze the Vega - Necalli matchup objectively, since the big question now is if he beats/loses to Vega when in V.trigger.
Somebody asked for video of a High level Vega playing against a decent to good Necalli…well…
twitch.tv/nicktanella/v/65936946…at around 3 Hs and 15 min mark Mike L Na Vega (Formerly known as Koryu) vs a Necally player…this was yesterday at WNF
Would it be possible to use BH st.lp in this scenario? Leads to decent damage on regular and counter-hit.
What if necalli doesn’t press buttons and turtles? Then you can’t whiff punish. Then you can’t get damage because Vega had no way to get in without taking medium to high risks.
That’s true, but we can threaten damage from farther away than he can. I suppose he can DP if we are really in that ass, but at the range Vega can poke from, even in BH, there is really fuck all he can do.
Sorry but that Necalli isn’t that great. Crush counter st hk into sweep? Come on. Also he doesn’t know you can punish buster claw with cr mp xx slashing dash thing. Didn’t punish hail mary ex barcelona. Tried to punish lp roll with a 7 frame dp. Overall poor footsies.
Resident lurker here and I also agree with Rugalitarian. Necalli is a hard matchup for Vega. He doesn’t even need to play footsies with you or even approach for that matter. His main goal is to get v trigger as fast as possible so he is content on blocking all your pokes and play a counter poke game because he knows he can even it up with one confirm into insane damage. You sure as hell aren’t going to jump at him either to try to open him up because he will stand jab that shit and force you into a reset situation not in your favor.
So am i reading this right? necalli beats vega waiting on a corner?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ndGSbR81tMI
Here is an example match, granted danke is playing against PR Balrog but don’t let that deter from the fact that the way PR was approaching that match is the way Necalli should be fighting against Vega. Yea he got away with all those stomps but I guarantee you if Danke punished it once he wouldn’t have done stomps again and did something different. Danke’s Vega is no slouch either, this match was to qualify for Top 8 losers so he put in the work to get himself there.