Vega General Thread: The Masked Narcissist Enters The Tournament

[Daemos]

There are other fighting games where ‘charge’ motions don’t require charge time. Just tap back-forward and hit button.

Viable compromise? The one flaw is that you have to get used to not doing the move accidentally in some situations, but it isn’t even as bad as command normals in that regard so no big deal.

That’s not really charging though. That’s tapping.

Charge partitioning and overall reduction in charge time is more than enough in leveling the playing field. There is also the playing up of a charge character’s strengths to compensate for the potential loss of some mobility and options.

[Reticently]

There are other fighting games where ‘charge’ motions don’t require charge time. Just tap back-forward and hit button.

Viable compromise? The one flaw is that you have to get used to not doing the move accidentally in some situations, but it isn’t even as bad as command normals in that regard so no big deal.

That’s not really charging though. That’s tapping.

Charge partitioning and overall reduction in charge time is more than enough in leveling the playing field. There is also the playing up of a charge character’s strengths to compensate for the potential loss of some mobility and options.

True, the word tapping just wasn’t springing to mind for me for whatever reason.

Thing is though tap motions give the benefit of motion inputs while still maintaining the traditional form of Claw’s inputs. Not really advocating for or against it, but if they decide that they are definitely changing his inputs it might be more palatable than all new circle motions.

[Moonchilde]

told that, i was sure he was gonna have his classic s.hp

It would be odd to not have it, but it’s a fresh take. I like how st.MP is looking, looks useful in a different way now. I loved using st.MP in ST, it had a very different utility than st.HP. I wish when we saw these videos they had inputs shown like in training mode. It would allow us to figure things out so much easier.

[DevilJin_01]

@Daemos and @Gross_Indecency your worries about versatility are a bit overstated. I feel they are adding versatility overall by making charge characters who are better suited off not being charge characters collect motions for their inputs.

Notice how Bison is still mainly a charge character because there probably isn’t a realistic way to make scissors kick pressure a motion command without breaking the way he works. They would either have to make it longer start up or more recovery and that would change what that move is designed ti do too much.

Its also generally unrealistic to expect a motion character to suddenly be a charge. Even if joking Capcom doesn’t see any fundamental reason to add charge motions. They are seeing that adding motions to previous charge characters opens up options for them while making them more accessible. Can’t go wrong with that.

@“Super Sonic” Vega only gets more options by being able to poke into specials without holding a charge. He doesn’t have a move like Bison’s scissor kick that fundamentally relies on a charge to get the most out of it. All of Vegas moves only gain benefit from being chargeless and get more options for when they can be used.

[Moonchilde]

True, the word tapping just wasn’t springing to mind for me for whatever reason.

Thing is though tap motions give the benefit of motion inputs while still maintaining the traditional form of Claw’s inputs. Not really advocating for or against it, but if they decide that they are definitely changing his inputs it might be more palatable than all new circle motions.

That would actually be worse. Having NO charge time means you could never go from back to forward and hit a button without getting RCF for example. It’s bad enough when charge is still stored as you walk forward and get a different move coming out than the button you wanted to press.

Motions kind of fix that, but then you get other issues like walk forward cr.MK xx hado turning into cr.MK xx SRK. No one likes that, either, lol!!

[Gross_Indecency]

@Daemos and @Gross_Indecency your worries about versatility are a bit overstated. I feel they are adding versatility overall by making charge characters who are better suited off not being charge characters collect motions for their inputs.

Notice how Bison is still mainly a charge character because there probably isn’t a realistic way to make scissors kick pressure a motion command without breaking the way he works. They would either have to make it longer start up or more recovery and that would change what that move is designed ti do too much.

Its also generally unrealistic to expect a motion character to suddenly be a charge. Even if joking Capcom doesn’t see any fundamental reason to add charge motions. They are seeing that adding motions to previous charge characters opens up options for them while making them more accessible. Can’t go wrong with that.

@“Super Sonic” Vega only gets more options by being able to poke into specials without holding a charge. He doesn’t have a move like Bison’s scissor kick that fundamentally relies on a charge to get the most out of it. All of Vegas moves only gain benefit from being chargeless and get more options for when they can be used.

I don’t get how Bison can’t be a motion and Vega can or how SK cant be motion but FBA can. The same thing you feel about SK is what I feel about Vega.
I thought even Blanka’s being a motion is more reasonable than Vega being one. His everything screams charge.
Motion cannot clash more with a char. They have made the most obviously charge char motion. I can expect anything from Capcom.
Don’t be surprised if Honda comes back as a female.

[Reticently]

True, the word tapping just wasn’t springing to mind for me for whatever reason.

Thing is though tap motions give the benefit of motion inputs while still maintaining the traditional form of Claw’s inputs. Not really advocating for or against it, but if they decide that they are definitely changing his inputs it might be more palatable than all new circle motions.

That would actually be worse.

That sort of depends really. You have some risk of accidental moves, but only in the same way you do with command normals, and motion inputs don’t fully protect you from that sort of thing either (walk forward from a crouch, throw a punch, get a fireball instead for example).

Anyway, just wanted to put the thought out there as an alternative to just giving qc and hc inputs. Not necessarily better but something to maybe consider.

[otori]

@Daemos and @Gross_Indecency your worries about versatility are a bit overstated. I feel they are adding versatility overall by making charge characters who are better suited off not being charge characters collect motions for their inputs.

Notice how Bison is still mainly a charge character because there probably isn’t a realistic way to make scissors kick pressure a motion command without breaking the way he works. They would either have to make it longer start up or more recovery and that would change what that move is designed ti do too much.

Its also generally unrealistic to expect a motion character to suddenly be a charge. Even if joking Capcom doesn’t see any fundamental reason to add charge motions. They are seeing that adding motions to previous charge characters opens up options for them while making them more accessible. Can’t go wrong with that.

@“Super Sonic” Vega only gets more options by being able to poke into specials without holding a charge. He doesn’t have a move like Bison’s scissor kick that fundamentally relies on a charge to get the most out of it. All of Vegas moves only gain benefit from being chargeless and get more options for when they can be used.

I don’t get how Bison can’t be a motion and Vega can or how SK cant be motion but FBA can. The same thing you feel about SK is what I feel about Vega.
I thought even Blanka’s being a motion is more reasonable than Vega being one. His everything screams charge.
Motion cannot clash more with a char. They have made the most obviously charge char motion. I can expect anything from Capcom.
Don’t be surprised if Honda comes back as a female.

Now that you mention it, if blanka makes it electricity is going to be a motion, which means it’s gonna lose all it’s frame advantage glory it has in sf4. Off topic sorry.

[DevilJin_01]

@Daemos and @Gross_Indecency your worries about versatility are a bit overstated. I feel they are adding versatility overall by making charge characters who are better suited off not being charge characters collect motions for their inputs.

Notice how Bison is still mainly a charge character because there probably isn’t a realistic way to make scissors kick pressure a motion command without breaking the way he works. They would either have to make it longer start up or more recovery and that would change what that move is designed ti do too much.

Its also generally unrealistic to expect a motion character to suddenly be a charge. Even if joking Capcom doesn’t see any fundamental reason to add charge motions. They are seeing that adding motions to previous charge characters opens up options for them while making them more accessible. Can’t go wrong with that.

@“Super Sonic” Vega only gets more options by being able to poke into specials without holding a charge. He doesn’t have a move like Bison’s scissor kick that fundamentally relies on a charge to get the most out of it. All of Vegas moves only gain benefit from being chargeless and get more options for when they can be used.

I don’t get how Bison can’t be a motion and Vega can or how SK cant be motion but FBA can. The same thing you feel about SK is what I feel about Vega.
I thought even Blanka’s being a motion is more reasonable than Vega being one. His everything screams charge.
Motion cannot clash more with a char. They have made the most obviously charge char motion. I can expect anything from Capcom.
Don’t be surprised if Honda comes back as a female.

Name a special move Vega has that actually benefits from being a charge as opposed to a motion. As far as options in neutral and combos.

[Deathology]

Oh wow it seems his rose doesn’t track, but goes a certain direction. Possibly aimed?

He uses it above necalli and it goes straight forward.

Standing V-Trigger throws it forward (-)
Crouching V-Trigger throws it up diagonally (/)
Air V-Trigger throws it down diagonally ()

[General_Awesomo]

From those last two videos:

Nice long s.HP.
Yodeling is back.
Dat camera pelvic thrust victory animation.
Without the mask, Vega ends his victory animation with a face from one of those posters for “American Psycho.”

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61Xb7o-VL1L.AC_UL320_SR276,320.jpg

Nice.

[Clau]

I noticed. That makes me happy actually, something like that, just aim it. It makes sense now, because all the directions they showed us in the reveal trailer matches the 8 directions we always use in the game. I’m glad this takes a little bit of skill! Auto homing would have been stupid.

St. V trigger throws the rose straight forward.
Cr. V trigger is the anti air version
Air V trigger throws it down in an angle.

[mowr]

It looks like he can stop his air trajectory completely with the V-Trigger activation. If it misses he just drops straight down.

[Korbidon]

Never understood the yodeling.

Questions about the rose:

-Can you hit it like Ibuki’s kunai?
-Does it trade with other fireballs?
-Can you cancel it off a empty FBA? (which would, by the way, be fucking sick)
-Can you cancel into it off normals?
-Is it safe if blocked?

[Hawkingbird]

Maaaan, talk about disappointing. I thought he had walkspeed, but I was wrong. His buttons looked really awkward as well.

I thought his backward walkspeed was great. Forward could use some tweaking.

[Angerfist62]

[list=1]
[*] That’s cool to see that his normals are different with and without the claw (even if that’s not a lot like his crouching fierce)

[*] Crush Counter on his 2HP, like Cammy.

[*] His rose don’t hit a crouching opponent (Cammy at least)

[*] His uppercut style move seems to be a command move (Back HP, like Cammy ?)

[*] His Heavy roll can’t be punished by Cammy’s MP on block[/list]

I like what I see here, even if I’m not a Claw player.

[Clau]

That sort of depends really. You have some risk of accidental moves, but only in the same way you do with command normals, and motion inputs don’t fully protect you from that sort of thing either (walk forward from a crouch, throw a punch, get a fireball instead for example).

Who the hell does a fireball motion to start walking from crouch?

[Saitsu]

Claw

qcf.P - Stance Change
qcb.P - Dodge Slash (Light is downwards, Mid is forward, Hard is upwards)
qcb.P w/out Claw - Izuna Drop
dp.K - Barcelona Drop (Direction of Wall dependant on if you pressed dp or reverse dp)
qcf.K - Roll Attacks(Harder Version = more rolls)
2x qcf.P - Super (Barcelona Whatever)
V-Skill - Dodge (Low Profile)
V-Skill twice - Dodge with follow up
V-Trigger - Dudley Rose Bison Crusher

So charge enthusiasts, enlighten us on how this would be more effective as a charge list (FBA obviously notwithstanding).

[Clau]

Setting the charge/non-chare topic aside.

Did you guys notice that he can come out with different options from his V-Skill twirl? One of them looking like a decent anti air option

[Gross_Indecency]

Claw

qcf.P - Stance Change
qcb.P - Dodge Slash (Light is downwards, Mid is forward, Hard is upwards)
qcb.P w/out Claw - Izuna Drop
dp.K - Barcelona Drop (Direction of Wall dependant on if you pressed dp or reverse dp)
qcf.K - Roll Attacks(Harder Version = more rolls)
2x qcf.P - Super (Barcelona Whatever)
V-Skill - Dodge (Low Profile)
V-Skill twice - Dodge with follow up
V-Trigger - Dudley Rose Bison Crusher

So charge enthusiasts, enlighten us on how this would be more effective as a charge list (FBA obviously notwithstanding).

My eyes hurt from even looking at this movelist. Atrocious! I think it is a very late April’s fool joke.

Name a special move Vega has that actually benefits from being a charge as opposed to a motion. As far as options in neutral and combos.

Why does it have to be about benefits? Where is this “effective” coming from? Since the minute this was announced everyone who want him to remain as charge said the same thing. IT DOESN’T SUIT THE CHAR’S IDENTITY FOR US. You are repeating “how is it better?” “why is it better?” “why do you think it is better?”. Let it go. IT DOESN’T SUIT THE CHAR’S IDENTITY FOR US.