Yeah lol. I mean his ground dash takes care of instant overheads, but also his airdash is more useful when you do it high enough to do multiple air attacks in a row, because then you force the opponent to guess if you’ll land and hit low or keep attacking in the air. So between his ground dash and high airdash I can’t think of a reason to do a low airdash lol.
he goes over all standing projectiles w/ his immediate ground->airdash
Tested and true.
So, Fuzzy, how do you deal with Demitri and Zabel when playing Bee? Zabel outprioritizes me and Demitri is annoying with his fireballs.
Advice?
Against Demi, I learned to play a run-away a lot. Like, I’ll get in and rush him down a little and get some damage, then I’ll run-away and wait for him to do something reckless. When rushing him down, you should try to bait out a DP. LK dive kick can avoid air fireballs. Honey bubble can work against fireballs, I think.
I haven’t played against too much Zabel, but one thing I’ve learned to watch out for it his thunder spin move (type thingy). Usually by empty IAD’s on there wake-up and try to bait it out, or empty jump-ins can work.
You da man fuzz:tup:
against, zabel, mix hp bees into the mix more. his aerials beat yours out @ the right height.
against demitri, he cannot fb zone, b/c you crouch under them. iad only if you have immediate momentum.
and your iad’s should be the far j.mk and j.rk aerials. they hit just right.
you can iad j.rk a fireball on reaction if you time it right.
delay your iading if you do not have any momentum.
whore out her pokes moreso than her hi/lo game
and a general note, another translation from our dear nohoho:
Gonna say right now that P2P is absolute trash compared to GGPO.
Nothing beats 0 frame delay, and even 2 frames on P2P feels like wayyy more delay than 2 frames on GGPO.
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This Zabel player putting GC to real good use…wow…I’m very impressed.
Hahah oh wow! :lol:
Awesomely “crazyyy” match.
Yeah I know how delay and prediction work thanks.
Just seems like a shame to deprive yourself 
Hunter is on GGPO now. Like just now.
Ponder finally listened to me (at least for one game, still need Real Bout 2). Best Halloween ever.
Only thing is, he put in the Euro version which is based off the 2nd ver. The 2nd version isnt played in Japan. So Japan players
The funny thing about the 2nd verison: Fixed game hampering glitches. Including one where top tier and prolly the best character Sasquatch was able to “combo” into that Ice Whale EX move off his standing MP. So in other words a nerf for Sas too
Yay! I’m always down for some matches, Ken. So if you’re ever bored, hit me up on AIM,MSN or something. I’ll gladly play you. Hunter is so much fun.
I’ll play and mash stuff with Anak.
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Here’s one of the matches. Would be glad if I could get critiques and stuff.
Remember this is Vampire Chronicles, and not Savior. Sorta like the difference between Street Fighter IIX which allowed you to play characters from each version of street Fighter as opposed to regular ST or SFII.
I’m using Savior 2 style Morrigan, and he’s Savior 2 Style Jedah. The game mode is set on Hunter format.
Well it’s hard to say since it’s VS2 Morrigan, and I dunno what they changed for her in that Version.
When you knock them down, go for Okizeme instead of the pursuit attack. You can only do white damage when you do a pursuit and it’s better to try for mixups after a knockdown. Also, look for crossups with her dash on knockdown, I’m pretty sure you could get some sweet stuff if you can link into her drill.
Use ES Fireball in the Air. It covers more of the screen and it’s faster.
Be sparing with your fireballs on the ground. Morrigan takes a while to wind those suckers up. ES is good here too.
Nice combo at the end.
tl;dr. More Okizeme mixups, ES fireball, Throw mixups, Anti-Air. Spacing.
I actually like Hunter a little more than I liked Savior. So I can play with my 2nd fav character in the entire series that doesnt suck in actual competitive play (*Jedah my 1st fav), Pyron.:rock::rock::rock:
:badboy:Mur hur hur hur!!!
Gonna see a lot of this: [media=youtube]1UJkxrwMOCk[/media]
And hear a lot of this: [media=youtube]v1rF1RbRnP8[/media]
:tup:
Thanks. About character differences in VC, here is a very comprehensive FAQ: http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/dreamcast/file/366183/10678
Morrigan’s Changes from VS to VS2:
*Savior Type: - Vertical Vernier Dash is performed with d, ub~uf or by
pressing u during a regular dash. You can also cancel it into
a regular Vernier Dash by pressing b or f during vertical
dash.
- Soul Fist is the same as in Hunter Type.
- Kuuchuu Soul Fist is performed with d, df, f + P in air.
- ES Shadow Blade hits up to 8 times.
- Can’t perform Shell Kick.
- Has four EX moves: Valkyrie Turn, Darkness Illusion, Finishing
Shower and Cryptic Needle. Astral Vision is her Dark Force
(press P+K).
Savior2 Type: Same as Savior Type, with some minor differences:
- Shell Kick can be performed with d + LK or MK instantly after
you press an attack button during jump. It hits only twice if
it’s used after you hit the enemy with a jumping attack.
- Astral Vision is performed with LP, LP, f, MP, HP.
- Valkyrie Turn changes if used during Dark Force (three
Morrigans will fly on the screen when you perform this move,
then press LK, MK or HK to decide which Morrigan will attack.
Thanks to mechagoukuma for this piece of info!)
AUTHOR’S COMMENTS:
I’ve always found Morrigan a pretty strong fighter in any Vampire game, but
she surely got stronger after Vampire Savior came out. Savior or Savior2? Well,
it’s a tough competition, since Savior2-Type Morrigan can use the Shell Kick,
but only in Savior Type she can perform aerial chains. Aside from this, they
aren’t very different *
Thanks for the advice, I’ll work on my okizime and more air fireball usage as opposed to ground version. There are more matches on my account if you are interested in giving more comments/criticism.
Also: about the pounce attacks; as we both know the ES fireball on hit gives pretty-much garanteed pounce and Devon had a really bad habit of AAing me when I went to okezime, then getting the advantage with fireball zoning with Demetri so I just started going for garanteed damage from the pounce instead. But in this match, and another on my account he’s using Jedah who doesn’t have as a good AA as demon Cradle or teleport drill so you are right in pointing out my blunder in not doing okizime.
Also, I’m assuming you play Morrigan - do u see the point of the special move “Cryptic Needle”? Not only is the command strange I just don’t see much of a purpose to it.
Cryptic Needle is really a waste of meter. Focus on using it for ES FB, ES DP and Darkness Illusion.
Also, in regards to Okizeme, baiting DPs is part of it. Make him play honest. A lot Demi players get it in their minds that they can just DP on wakeup since it’s so high priority. So hang right outside of his range. Or better yet, get hit with a few of them, just to put it in his head that he can wakeup DP. Then you stand right on top of him and then walk backwards. Whiff DP, punish with maximum combo (Darkness Illusion combo if you have meter, Sweep if you don’t)
Yeah, that’s what thought. You can combo into CN, but its not worth the effort.
Another problem I have with Demon Cradle is that he uses it to cover the recovery of blocked demon drills. Its like you said, I can bait it and just continue to block but occasion he has gone for a grab or tried to pressure when I blocked in expectation of the following DC.
In anycase, this is mostly mind-games between players so I’ll handle that someway or another.
What really bothers is EX teleport horizontal demon cradle seems to have positive frames - I tried to punish @ 1:08 in this match: [media=youtube]xwfkwlsJ2M4&feature=channel[/media] and as soon as he is done he chain combos. So either it does; or I should have used advanced guard or something. Just found that interesting; I was really surprised when I didn’t get to punish.
EDIT: Just remembered that gaytube forced the shitty beta channel layout on everyone and its a pain to load and find videos on people’s pages. So I’ll just post the other two here:
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