Except its been demonstrated that the game doesn’t perform evenly across systems. Therefore we could come to a very likely conclusion that there may be peculiarities with the PS4 port. Practicing for a tournament without using the proper tournament set up is just asking for problems.
Titan One + Mayflash PS1/PS2-to-USB converter
Only problem is the Titan One is probably banned because it supports macros.
Also it has to resynch with the PS4 every 10 minutes causing it to not work for 1 second.
A valid point. But we’ll have to wait for the game to come out before making that decision.
I just don’t see how this is somehow a ‘scam’ according to some people…
lolwut? I’ve got multiple converters that work perfectly fine to plug PS1 controllers into my PS3. That’s a thing that’s really great about the PS3: you can plug almost anything into it, and it works. Like a PC. Want to use a Sega Saturn pad? That works. Want to use your PS1 pad? That works. Want to use your strange Logitech PC gamepad that gives you controller thumb every time? That works. How about your crazy custom wooden PC arcade stick that you built before the PS3 even came out? That’s USB as well, so that works.
The point is, all these devices are USB, or use a converter to USB, and they worked just fine on Sony’s older machine. Why make it so they don’t work on the new machine? For money. Hardware manufacturers want you to buy the new shit. That’s the only reason. It just fucking sucks for the consumer. It sucks for Snake Eyez, it sucks for Smug, it sucks for Luffy, it sucks for people who put $150+ on a different stick to now either buy a new one or get theirs modded, and it sucks for you and me.
For the moment I don’t give a damn because I’m not going to EVO. I’ve got a PC, I can plug in whatever controller I want to and it works. But if those tournaments that I might go to start being played on PS4, that’ll really suck. And I would find it very, very unlikely that other tournaments won’t become PS4 exclusive soon. Think I’m wrong? The reason EVO’s going to be on PS4 is due to Sony’s money for Capcom’s pro tour. You really think all these other events getting pot bonuses, or getting people ranked to qualify won’t also have to require PS4 as well?
Converters are 3rd party. They are not endorsed OR condoned by Sony. Just because they work doesn’t mean it was intended. Various firmware updates to PS3 disabled certain converters and in fact Inpin PS2-PS3 converters (some of the best) don’t work on the latest slims, so it’s obvious this vast support for generic USB devices isn’t something you should expect. In fact, it’s proof that Sony never intended this to be the case at all. We just got lucky when the PS3 launched. **This wide converter/unlicensed 3rd party USB support you enjoy was A HAPPY ACCIDENT. ** And it’s one that Sony has taken steps to correct ever since.
Every console before the original XBox used a proprietary connector. The original Xbox used USB with the wires re-ordered so other USB devices wouldn’t work. 360 uses USB that requires an encryption chip. It’s OBVIOUS that backwards compatibility with old controllers/unlicensed third party solutions has NEVER been an intentional thing on the part of manufacturers. Why all of a sudden do people feel like it is now? People act like something has been taken away, but you guys never (officially) had it in the first place.
PS3 compatibility is the ONE example in an entire 30+ year industry of a console that allowed random/old controllers. And that may have been an accident.
So yes. I CAN’T hook a raw PS1/PS2 plug into a PS3. And Sony WANTS it that way. And always has. Just because some THIRD PARTY made a converter on their own doesn’t mean “OH HEY GUYS BACKWARDS COMPATIBLE CONTROLLERS IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD EXPECT! =D =D =D =D”
Of course tourneys will be PS4 centric…I don’t think anyone is arguing otherwise… what’s your point?
You’re upset that you’ll be left out because your stick won’t work at a ps4 tourney? PS3 players at 360 tourneys already have this problem. 360 players at EVO have this problem. How is this any different from what’s happening now? Why do people act like suddenly it’s the end of days when this is a situation we have ALREADY? I didn’t see people crying about this issue before PS4 tourneys were announced. No one was bitching about needing a ps3 controller last year at EVO. Now instead of a PS3 controller you need a PS4 one, and the tears come out? What the hell people…
You’re gonna have to deal with it, because it’s not just Evo.
While I can’t give out specifics, you should expect that, as soon as the PS4 version comes out, just about every Premier Event on the Capcom Pro Tour will be running the game on PS4 and even some ranking events (I know ours is).
And before anyone starts bashing Capcom/Sony, some of us actually approached them first and asked about this as soon as the announcement was made (and some, even before).
Titan One clearly indicates when it’s using a macro and has a tournament mode.
I can’t remember which one, but I recall that at least one major has already stated that they are allowing it.
It isn’t a scam in the part of Evo. On the other hand, there is definitely reason to be disgruntled if you are a player. It isn’t some community effort that’s driving the change. This isn’t the PS3 vs 360 discussion that went on for a couple of years about which version was better. This is sponsors forcing a standard on the players. The vast majority of players are on 360 and have been for some time. Suddenly changing the version of the game is bad for them.
Tournaments are gonna get an influx of money. Price pools and production hopefully benefits from it but is it worth it at the cost of inconveniencing the players with an untested version of a game? Not only do people have to get sticks or do pad players have to make accomodations, but then we don’t know how the PS4 handles SF4. It might be arcade perfect for all we know, but until this moment we’ve had no reason to bother testing it. Tech Talk is definitely up for challenge but they’d need time and hardware since testing it is an involved process.
The secondary effect of this is that it’ll force players to get ready for SFV. If you had a stick made or bought the console to practice up for Evo, then when SFV comes out everything is peachy. We knew people were gonna be forced to make this change. Making it now means that next year’s Evo can run SFV and SFIV without needing to have 360 and PS4 (this would mean that XRD would eventually switch to PS4 out of convenience).
Tricky situation that isn’t too straight forward and puts TOs in compromising situations.
Everything you say is true. From a competitive/tournament standpoint, there are things about this can go wrong. I hope as much as you do that the new version of SFIV is a good port, and totally agree that this won’t matter when SFV comes out.
Unfortunately, if you read the crying in this thread, people aren’t upset about the things you mentioned. They’re just whining because they have to buy another controller. Which is something people have ALWAYS had to do. And that’s what pisses me off.
Is it confirmed that the PS4 version will include performance improvements? If not, it does give off the impression that this is just a moneyhat of sorts and TO’s are just upgrading for the sake of upgrading, without looking at the possible effects it may have on the players. Like switching Xrd from PS3 to PS4 makes sense as it looks AND performs much better, if this isn’t the case for SF4 then I don’t see a logical reason to switch other than sponsors.
Having to pay $150+ to play the same game they’ve played for years, i’d be kinda mad too but I don’t plan on entering any capcom pro tour events and I don’t see myself buying a PS4 so it doesn’t affect me but it’s not hard to see why people would be pissed.
It’s just a fact of life. If you’re a truly competitive player, you’ve always changed consoles/bought controllers depending on what tourneys were using. Some games have jumped back and forth between different consoles depending on what the player base deemed as the “best” version at the time/what version tourneys decided to run. You can bet top/competitive players will buy a ps4 stick as soon as they are able, with a minimum of tears.
If you’re not a hardcore competitor, then it doesn’t matter – play on whatever console you have/like.
I feel like the butthurt is coming mostly from people who started with SFIV and have never experienced a console jump/generational shift in the tourney scene before. (But hey I could be wrong. And if you ARE someone who’s been around for a while, why is this new? It’s how it’s always been.)
They kind of have a point for one reason: this change wasn’t done for the players (at least, not in the short term). What I mean by this is that the change wasn’t driven because its what best for the tournament. If this were done to simplify console use, then XRD would be on PS4 (which it isn’t). On top of that you’re gonna have UMvC3 on 360; so you can’t claim that having access to 360s is the main issue going in either. In a business sense (although this is community wide from West coast to East) we are compromising one of the core principles of the community, Putting the Players First, in exchange that what we get from the Sony partnership offsets it.
The tricky part is that this decision was forced on the TOs. Sony paid for SFV development and since Capcom runs the Capcom Cup, some things are going to change. This then trickled down to the TOs as d3v mentioned. This is a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation. Consider that Texas Shodown and CEO happen before Evo. We may potentially have two big tournaments running on hardware different than Evo.
A lot of people wanted more Capcom support. Capcom support comes with strings attached. Meh, still cheaper than M:TG.
If you have money to travel, you have money for a new input device (and a PS4 and another copy of USF4).
I wouldn’t hold my breath for Capcom or any big dev to use the driver for PS3 devices to work on PS4.
It’s business. Vote with your wallet if you want them to hear you.
Everyone was going to eventually have to buy ps4 sticks anyway, this is just speeding up the process.
This is true for evo for sure, but not true of the other tournaments that will use PS4 now. If you carpool and split a room going to a major a state away, that’s not a super expensive trip. A poor college student could save for a stick and save for tournaments, but suddenly now needing to get a new stick would price him out.
Better have shitloads of hand sanitizer, rubbing alcohol or whatever for those loaner sticks…
This is a luxury/hobby to blow time and money on.
Yeah, it would be cool if pubs had the mindset of Lab Zero/Mike Z and empathized because they’re players too and knew how annoying/expensive it was for players but they don’t. They want to entice you to spend more money on their product and licensed merchandise. Sony wants you getting a PS4 and stick, Capcom wants you to grab USF4 and PS4 SF sticks (maybe you won’t need a PS4 and USF4 though). Just gotta pull for some adapter or PCB drops or that PS4 USF4 plays virtually similar to an old version.
Frankly, do they even care if regular joe can’t afford to travel to their “Premier” Event and grab a new stick and system? I see more frequent sponsored player vs sponsored player happening for the viewers, highlight reel and photo ops. All the money on the line as well, not many are going to be put off by this requirement.
This is what more involvement and sponsorship results in.
If you can’t afford a new stick, save.
You might miss a tournament, or even several tournaments until you get the money to get a new stick. But so what? It’s not the end of the world, and it’s something people will have to do later anyway. As other people have mentioned, the whole scene is moving to PS4 anyway. Might as well save and get this shit over with.
Even if this change didn’t happen this year, it’d probably happen next year. Or the year after that. Sooner or later people will have to save, suck it up, and move to the new console.
^ What he said. If you don’t have time OR money, then that’s unfortunate. But this is just a hobby.
So how does it affect players like Luffy/Smug and the pad-playerbase? I’m a stick player myself, but how do these players get their current controllers to work on another system? I understand there are some converters, but the Xbox 360 pad on the PS4? I can’t see that being a thing. Even if it was, I’d want to do it myself as I hate the Dualshock 4 in general.
Well it finally answers the question, but the issue is the somewhat pink elephant in the room: pad players. Sony is going to have to update their PS4 firmware to recognize a USB converter that reads the PS2 controllers. Either this is gonna happen, or MadCatz, Razer, Qanba or whomever are gonna have to come out with a PS2 style pad, or (my personal favorite) a 6 button controller similar and as comfortable as the Saturn PS2 pad Capcom released in 2005.
I know someone is gonna say that people should just move over to stick and adjust, but some of [us] aren’t as efficient on stick as pad. Some of the best players out right now (Luffy, Snake Eyez, Smug) are gonna be at a disadvantage, and you may very well see their execution and overall play take a hit if they are forced to learn on a stick. As an example, look at Wolfkrone. He played on stick for a few months during, but after a while, he went back to pad because it’s what he does best and most comfortable with. I’m sure they, and all of us who’ll be watching want them to play at their best, and I guess 5 months is enough to make the adjustment, but I still say this will handicap them in the long run.